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Re: Street Running in Los Angeles-Lots of big steam and more.
Author: BOB2
Date: 04-23-2014 - 13:23
No sections of Alameda Street, in Downtown LA (SP and original Los Angeles and San Pedro)were ever electrified that I am aware of. Certainly there was no indication (poles or light posts equipped to hang trolley wire)when I worked it. There was a reference I heard somewhere about PE delivering transfers to River Station, but I believe this was with there PE steam engines due to no overhead???
The PE came up San Pedro, if I recall correctly (?), and that was where they connected to the SGV PE lines. This area was "nuked" north of Temple to basically the area around the Plaza, for Union Station, then for a bridge, the Freeways, and later civic buildings, and I have been told was even the original location of Philipe's. So, some of the 1920's or 1930's Topo maps of downtown LA might be helpful to get the true layout at this time. Downtown LA, in that area, is just so significantly changed from what it was, even in 1939, by the swath cut by the Hollywood Freeway and redevelopment, it's hard to tell, without old maps.
The Macy Street bridge and connection to East LA via what would become the I-10 was the last New Deal WPA project and one of the only WPA projects that continued into WWII and change the layout further of that area of downtown. After the war, in 1950, they severed the connection to Pasadena-Glendora-El Monte PE Lines, to construct the beginning of the Santa Ana and San Bernardino Freeways. So, I believe that connection was off of those lines which connected in that area. This was also well before my time, but a number of sources (The SP book by Petty, etal, is the best) have noted that there were several transfer yards and other industrial trackage there in that area, in the pre LAUPT-and Pre Freeway era, that may have been electrified.
The segment of the clip of the CP at what appears to be Taylor Roundhouse, getting fired up were great, with the PE yard (toward Glendale-pre Taylor expansion and pre car shop days) in the background.
The PE came up San Pedro, if I recall correctly (?), and that was where they connected to the SGV PE lines. This area was "nuked" north of Temple to basically the area around the Plaza, for Union Station, then for a bridge, the Freeways, and later civic buildings, and I have been told was even the original location of Philipe's. So, some of the 1920's or 1930's Topo maps of downtown LA might be helpful to get the true layout at this time. Downtown LA, in that area, is just so significantly changed from what it was, even in 1939, by the swath cut by the Hollywood Freeway and redevelopment, it's hard to tell, without old maps.
The Macy Street bridge and connection to East LA via what would become the I-10 was the last New Deal WPA project and one of the only WPA projects that continued into WWII and change the layout further of that area of downtown. After the war, in 1950, they severed the connection to Pasadena-Glendora-El Monte PE Lines, to construct the beginning of the Santa Ana and San Bernardino Freeways. So, I believe that connection was off of those lines which connected in that area. This was also well before my time, but a number of sources (The SP book by Petty, etal, is the best) have noted that there were several transfer yards and other industrial trackage there in that area, in the pre LAUPT-and Pre Freeway era, that may have been electrified.
The segment of the clip of the CP at what appears to be Taylor Roundhouse, getting fired up were great, with the PE yard (toward Glendale-pre Taylor expansion and pre car shop days) in the background.
