Re: Press Democrat article about NCR-A/NWP & business
Author: BOB2
Date: 07-05-2008 - 16:42

WOW, you really don't like the NWP! Just because their projections are shaky? Which ones?

Projections are often wrong and any good projection will have a number of possible outcomes, and some caveats on the factors which favor or disfavor a particular outcome. I was involved with projections of export unit coal trains in the 1980's to assess the feasibility of building the Alameda Corridor. The projections of that coal export traffic proved amazingly wrong, but this was only one factor we considered and thankfully we invested in the Corridor, thus preparing for the future.

I had an opportunity, just this week, to attend a tour the Port of Long Beach, and found myself in sheer awe at the volume of not just container traffic, but, of lumber traffic, auto traffic, dry bulk, scrap, construction equipment, tires, and other commodities. A lower US dollar will probably mitigate only somewhat the growth in in-bound container imports. This same effect will almost certainly significantly increase exports, including both manufactured and dry bulk commodities. And, with good rail access, Port of Eureka could potentially compete in these more specialized markets.

The local optimal current conditions on NWP would probably only justify one hauler and one local. Local traffic bases in Marin, Sonoma, and Mendocino would only require a limited portion of that capacity, allowing it to be shared with commuter rail, without any significant impact, environmental or otherwise, to those communities along the line. The need to haul out thing like trash also portend a significant local market of between 50-100 cars per day. The screwballs would have this trash on our roads, in trucks.

The Port of Eureka has certain drawbacks today, a rough entrance, lack of a significant local market, poor road connections, and the lack of rail are among them. But, trade growth is putting significant pressure to expand other Pacific Coast ports. So while a rebuilt NWP is no slam dunk, doing nothing is absolutely certain to achieve exactly zero possibilities. That includes zero job growth in a struggling area, zero trucks removed from a very dangerous and congested 101, zero cost savings to local industry, and higher costs for everything from milk to trash pick up for local residents. So a modest investment in the NWP, staged at a realistic pace, based upon more likely "near term" business conditions, might prove to be a prudent move. Or, we could spend hundreds of millions more on the 101? The choices aren't perfect, but they are real.



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  Press Democrat article about NCRA/NWP & business Mike Pechner 07-03-2008 - 15:40
  Re: Press Democrat article about NCRA/NWP & business Bit 07-03-2008 - 16:06
  Where is this $8.6 mil going? bit 07-03-2008 - 16:37
  Re: Where is this $8.6 mil going? DAVE I 07-03-2008 - 20:05
  Re: Press Democrat article about NCRA/NWP & business joe public 07-03-2008 - 19:47
  Re: Press Democrat article about NCRA/NWP & business Mike Pechner 07-03-2008 - 23:15
  Re: Press Democrat article about NCRA/NWP & business 123 07-04-2008 - 06:01
  Re: Press Democrat article about NCRA/NWP & business P.Kepler 07-04-2008 - 09:11
  Re: Press Democrat article about NCRA/NWP & business 456 07-04-2008 - 10:21
  Re: Press Democrat article about NCRA/NWP & business Mike Palon 07-04-2008 - 11:29
  Re: Press Democrat article about NCRA/NWP & business Al Stangenberger 07-04-2008 - 12:25
  Re: Press Democrat article about NCRA/NWP & business Joe Public 07-04-2008 - 12:37
  Re: Press Democrat article about NCRA/NWP & business Rich Hunn 07-04-2008 - 13:52
  Re: Press Democrat article about NCRA/NWP & business Joe Public 07-04-2008 - 19:09
  Re: Press Democrat article about NCRA/NWP & business Rich Hunn 07-04-2008 - 19:45
  Re: Press Democrat article about NCRA/NWP & business Al Stangenberger 07-04-2008 - 20:21
  Re: Press Democrat article about NCRA/NWP & business Joe Public 07-05-2008 - 01:32
  Re: Press Democrat article about NCRA/NWP & business Rich Hunn 07-05-2008 - 07:54
  Re: Press Democrat article about NCRA/NWP & business shortline sammie 07-05-2008 - 09:02
  Re: Press Democrat article about NCR-A/NWP & business BOB2 07-05-2008 - 11:27
  Re: Press Democrat article about NCR-A/NWP & business Bit 07-05-2008 - 12:38
  Re: Press Democrat article about NCR-A/NWP & business BOB2 07-05-2008 - 13:18
  Re: Press Democrat article about NCR-A/NWP & business Bit 07-05-2008 - 13:33
  Re: Press Democrat article about NCR-A/NWP & business frothing 07-05-2008 - 14:09
  Re: Press Democrat article about NCR-A/NWP & business Rich Hunn 07-05-2008 - 14:15
  Re: Press Democrat article about NCR-A/NWP & business Bi 07-05-2008 - 16:05
  Re: Press Democrat article about NCR-A/NWP & business BOB2 07-05-2008 - 16:42
  Re: Press Democrat article about NCR-A/NWP & business Joel Manly 07-05-2008 - 17:50
  Re: Press Democrat article about NCR-A/NWP & business Espee99 07-05-2008 - 20:21
  Question for the environmentalists who oppose NWP GRRR 07-05-2008 - 21:31
  Re: Question for the environmentalists who oppose NWP Barry 07-05-2008 - 22:09
  Re: Question for the environmentalists who oppose NWP Espee99 07-06-2008 - 07:43
  Re: Question for the environmentalists who oppose NWP unpopular 07-06-2008 - 08:48
  Re: Question for the environmentalists who oppose NWP BOB2 07-06-2008 - 09:25
  Re: Question for the environmentalists who oppose NWP Barry 07-06-2008 - 09:46
  Re: Question for the environmentalists who oppose NWP Synonymouse 07-06-2008 - 10:33
  Re: Question for the environmentalists who oppose NWP unpopular 07-06-2008 - 10:45
  Re: Question for the environmentalists who oppose NWP Synonymouse 07-06-2008 - 11:58
  Re: Question for the environmentalists who oppose NWP Poor Sap 07-07-2008 - 08:27
  Re: Question for the environmentalists who oppose NWP DAVE I 07-07-2008 - 08:57
  Re: Question for the environmentalists who oppose NWP F LLoyd 07-07-2008 - 11:09
  Re: Question for the environmentalists who oppose NWP ex-marinite 07-07-2008 - 11:37
  Re: Question for the environmentalists who oppose NWP Poor Sap 07-07-2008 - 11:42
  Re: Question for the environmentalists who oppose NWP Dan Olten 07-07-2008 - 14:17
  Re: Question for the environmentalists who oppose NWP Stan=Messenger 07-07-2008 - 17:40
  Re: Question for the environmentalists who oppose NWP ! 07-08-2008 - 12:55
  Re: Question for the environmentalists who oppose NWP unpopular 07-06-2008 - 10:41
  Re: Question for the environmentalists who oppose NWP Espee99 07-06-2008 - 12:15
  Re: Question for the environmentalists who oppose NWP Bit 07-06-2008 - 12:46
  Re: Question for the environmentalists who oppose NWP Mike Pechner 07-06-2008 - 19:47
  NWP to Goldman Sachs Bit 07-07-2008 - 11:42
  Mike Pechner - no answer? Bit 07-08-2008 - 14:39
  Re: Mike Pechner - no answer? Mike Pechner 07-08-2008 - 14:50
  Re: Mike Pechner - no answer? Bit 07-08-2008 - 16:09
  Re: Mike Pechner - no answer? bit 07-09-2008 - 23:29
  Re: Mike Pechner - no answer? Mike Pechner 07-12-2008 - 21:38
  Re: Question for the environmentalists who oppose NWP BOB2 07-08-2008 - 18:38
  Re: Question for the environmentalists who oppose NWP Synonymouse 07-08-2008 - 23:13
  Re: Question for the environmentalists who oppose NWP Espee99 07-09-2008 - 14:27


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