Re: By far the best
Author: david vartanoff
Date: 08-12-2008 - 12:45

the sources are out of order!
conservation is far and away the best bang for the buck--California has remained in the bottom 3/or 4 states in electricity use per capita for decades. We were a pioneer in "bribing" utility customers to conserve. The PUC educated the utility companies that this was cheaper than the cost of increasing generating and grid capacity.
Those factshave not changed. Distributed generation--solar PV, small windmills all over will both decrease the stress on the grid AND supply customer needs at lower net planet damage.
Beyond that, indeed lowering population growth is necessary.
Now as to rail content, Conrail quit freight 1. ATK was reaming hem on rates,2,Electrics were useless for run throughs. The same thing happened to UP/SP DD's/turbines--everyone wanted standard stuff which could cross corporate boundaries.

Some years back, a computer guy modeled how much energy could be generated from wind along the UP main in Wyoming--his ## before the SP acquisition claimed enough juice for the entire freight operation. Certainly not current ##, but with regen on Donner, the Cascades etc, a large amount would be way cheaper than diesel especially as oil is not likely to ever get back to 1980's prices. And please note straight electrics have lower maintenance and longer life cycles.



Subject Written By Date/Time (PST)
  BNSF considering electrification? Graham Buxton 08-12-2008 - 04:53
  Re: BNSF considering electrification? John Bruce 08-12-2008 - 09:00
  Re: BNSF considering electrification? Dave Smith 08-12-2008 - 09:32
  Re: BNSF considering electrification? BOB2 08-12-2008 - 09:46
  Re: BNSF considering electrification? Roger Bowman 08-12-2008 - 09:57
  Re: BNSF considering electrification? The Montezuma Yrdmaster 08-12-2008 - 10:55
  Re: BNSF considering electrification? PVWB 08-12-2008 - 12:39
  Re: BNSF considering electrification? The Montezuma Yardmaster 08-12-2008 - 16:01
  Re: BNSF considering electrification? Graham Buxton 08-12-2008 - 18:26
  Re: BNSF considering electrification? david vartanoff 08-12-2008 - 19:17
  Wind Power is Not Free Vance Pomerening 08-12-2008 - 09:41
  Re: Wind Power is Not Free Joe Magruder 08-12-2008 - 10:10
  Re: Wind Power is Not Free John Bruce 08-12-2008 - 10:17
  Re: Wind Power is Not Free The Montezuma Yardmaster 08-12-2008 - 10:49
  Doubters Please Read This Vance Pomerening 08-12-2008 - 11:24
  By far the best Rate payer 08-12-2008 - 12:11
  Re: By far the best david vartanoff 08-12-2008 - 12:45
  Re: By far the best George Orwell 08-13-2008 - 23:16
  Re: Wind Power is Not Free Jim Fitzgerald 08-12-2008 - 19:24
  Re: Wind Power is Not Free SCARE TACTICS ...- 08-12-2008 - 22:19
  Re: Wind Power is Not Free Reddy 08-13-2008 - 16:04
  Re: BNSF considering electrification? Hipshot 08-12-2008 - 12:08
  Re: BNSF considering electrification? mehoe 08-12-2008 - 12:14
  Re: BNSF considering electrification? rich hall 08-13-2008 - 07:10
  Re: BNSF considering electrification? Ernest H. Robl 08-13-2008 - 12:59
  Re: BNSF considering electrification? Mike Fletcher 08-13-2008 - 14:48
  Re: BNSF considering electrification? G Thomas 08-13-2008 - 16:18
  Ya gets what ya pays for.... Sparks 08-13-2008 - 16:22
  Re: Ya gets what ya pays for.... David Smith 08-13-2008 - 19:08
  Re: Ya gets what ya pays for.... Mike Yelps 08-14-2008 - 06:10
  Re: Ya gets what ya pays for.... ..._ 08-14-2008 - 16:15


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