Re: electric railroads?
Author: Butler
Date: 08-16-2008 - 10:12

No doubt there are significant costs and equipment utilization factors where an electric-diesel engine change is made. MILW made much of this when they abandoned their electrification, but the reality was that the diesels ran straight through from Chicago to Tacoma and the Little Joe electrics were added as helpers for the 3 mountain districts between Harlowton MT and Avery ID. If coast division substations could have supported the Joes, perhaps they might have carried them through the gap and then run them from Othello to Tacoma.

When GN abandoned their Cascade electrification between Skykomish WA and Wenatchee WA in 1956, one of the alternatives examined was to extend it to Seattle on the west and Spokane on the east. This would have given them the option of turning all diesels back east at Spokane. Had they done this in 1956, then attractive options today might be to extend electrification east from Spokane to Havre, or perhaps west from Spokane to Pasco or even Portland! Today's BNSF train counts are approaching the point where this might be justified.

The point for the transcon; from wherever you start the electrification on the east end, run it all the way to LA. That way you only have to change engines once.

With todays AC diesels, I also wonder about the feasibility of a electric-diesel that would take AC from the catenary and step it down to the voltages needed for control and traction.

At least once during a very cold winter period in 1949, the MILW ran a train downgrade in regeneration during the evening peak power use period at the request of the Washington Water Power Co. In doing this they may have saved the grid from going down.



Subject Written By Date/Time (PST)
  electric trains mook 08-15-2008 - 20:41
  Re: electric trains mike 08-15-2008 - 21:35
  Re: electric trains Ernest H. Robl 08-16-2008 - 05:56
  Re: electric trains John Bruce 08-16-2008 - 07:34
  Re: electric trains Ernest H. Robl 08-16-2008 - 17:10
  Re: electric trains Ernest H. Robl 08-16-2008 - 19:31
  Re: electric railroads? BOB2 08-16-2008 - 08:11
  Re: electric railroads? John Bruce 08-16-2008 - 09:40
  Re: electric railroads? Butler 08-16-2008 - 10:12
  Re: electric railroads? John Bruce 08-16-2008 - 13:08
  Re: electric railroads? P.Kepler 08-16-2008 - 10:43
  Re: electric railroads? OldPoleBurner 08-16-2008 - 13:58
  Re: electric railroads? P.Kepler 08-16-2008 - 14:25
  Re: electric railroads? John Bruce 08-16-2008 - 14:35
  "Electric tender" Ernest H. Robl 08-16-2008 - 17:44
  Clearance issues Ernest H. Robl 08-16-2008 - 17:22
  Re: Clearance issues DzNtz 08-16-2008 - 23:13
  Re: electric trains Dave Smith 08-16-2008 - 11:33
  Re: electric trains Rich Hunn 08-16-2008 - 16:26
  Re: electric trains Mike Swanson 08-16-2008 - 16:46
  Re: steam maintenance vs diesel Dave Smith 08-16-2008 - 23:20
  Re: steam maintenance vs diesel BOB2 08-17-2008 - 08:32
  Re: steam maintenance vs diesel g 08-17-2008 - 10:04
  Re: steam maintenance vs diesel P.Kepler 08-17-2008 - 10:19
  Re: steam maintenance vs diesel Dave Smith 08-17-2008 - 12:02
  Alternative Steam Locomotive Design. Jeff A. 08-17-2008 - 12:48
  Re: steam maintenance vs diesel John Bruce 08-17-2008 - 13:00
  Re: steam maintenance vs diesel Dave Smith 08-18-2008 - 10:01
  Re: steam maintenance vs diesel John Bruce 08-18-2008 - 10:41
  Re: steam maintenance vs diesel GRRR 08-18-2008 - 11:50
  Re: steam maintenance vs diesel mook 08-18-2008 - 16:50
  Re: steam maintenance vs diesel E 08-19-2008 - 14:52
  Re: steam maintenance vs diesel Dave Smith 08-19-2008 - 19:15
  Re: steam maintenance vs diesel Jacob Marley 08-19-2008 - 21:27
  Re: steam maintenance vs diesel E 08-19-2008 - 22:52
  Re: steam maintenance vs diesel e 08-19-2008 - 22:51
  Re: steam maintenance vs diesel Earl Pitts 08-20-2008 - 10:02
  Re: steam maintenance vs diesel Mike Swanson 08-20-2008 - 18:52
  Re: electric trains The Montezuma Yardmaster 08-21-2008 - 19:04
  Re: electric trains fkrock 08-21-2008 - 21:20


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