Re: steam maintenance vs diesel
Author: Dave Smith
Date: 08-16-2008 - 23:20

I believe the idea that steam was more expensive to maintain was shot down in HF Brown's dieselization study in the 1960's. Maintenance costs actually went up during dieselization. If I remember correctly, most railroad folks were comparing 40 years old steam with the new diesels and using that as the basis for the myth. Brown corrected for this by comparing the maintenance costs of the newest steam engines circa 1940's (less than 10 years old) with the maintenance costs of similarly aged diesels and found that the diesels of similar age had higher maintenance costs.

I think the misperception lies in the fact that the reciprocating parts of the steam locomotive are well in sight, whereas the reciprocating parts of the diesel (not to mention wiring et al) are hidden behind the sheet metal. But the bigger expenses of diesels (and somewhat of a suprise to Brown from what I read on a different forum) was in the cost of lubrication - higher for diesels than for reciprocating steam.

That being said, it pays to remember the KISS principle from college - the simpler something is the cheaper it is (or something to that effect). A reciprocating steam locomotive is actually a very simple machine, less complicated than diesel-electrics. Even with modernization to match EPA requirements for coal combustion and increases in thermal efficiency, an external combustion engine is so much simpler than a compression ignition engine, and the subsequent application of that energy into motion via reciprocating steam is simpler than that required to turn those traction motors on the diesels.

Of course, electric locomotives have a very good track record of low maintenance costs. However, that savings is overcome by the cost of constructing and maintaining the catenary/substations/ etc.

I agree with Ernest Robl that if US railroads were to build long(er) tunnels to eliminate certain mountain lines, electrification may be a requirement for operations through those tunnels (especially if they are on a grade), not just an alternative motive power source. My solution to long graded tunnels is to construct them as two separate unidirectional drift tunnels. With drift tunnels you don't have to worry about having to work the engine hard to get through a pass regardless of which direction you're going, ideal for steam or diesel. Of course, until someone does a comparative analysis of the cost of constructing either an electrified line with a single long tunnel or two unidirectional tunnels for conventional motive power operation...........



Subject Written By Date/Time (PST)
  electric trains mook 08-15-2008 - 20:41
  Re: electric trains mike 08-15-2008 - 21:35
  Re: electric trains Ernest H. Robl 08-16-2008 - 05:56
  Re: electric trains John Bruce 08-16-2008 - 07:34
  Re: electric trains Ernest H. Robl 08-16-2008 - 17:10
  Re: electric trains Ernest H. Robl 08-16-2008 - 19:31
  Re: electric railroads? BOB2 08-16-2008 - 08:11
  Re: electric railroads? John Bruce 08-16-2008 - 09:40
  Re: electric railroads? Butler 08-16-2008 - 10:12
  Re: electric railroads? John Bruce 08-16-2008 - 13:08
  Re: electric railroads? P.Kepler 08-16-2008 - 10:43
  Re: electric railroads? OldPoleBurner 08-16-2008 - 13:58
  Re: electric railroads? P.Kepler 08-16-2008 - 14:25
  Re: electric railroads? John Bruce 08-16-2008 - 14:35
  "Electric tender" Ernest H. Robl 08-16-2008 - 17:44
  Clearance issues Ernest H. Robl 08-16-2008 - 17:22
  Re: Clearance issues DzNtz 08-16-2008 - 23:13
  Re: electric trains Dave Smith 08-16-2008 - 11:33
  Re: electric trains Rich Hunn 08-16-2008 - 16:26
  Re: electric trains Mike Swanson 08-16-2008 - 16:46
  Re: steam maintenance vs diesel Dave Smith 08-16-2008 - 23:20
  Re: steam maintenance vs diesel BOB2 08-17-2008 - 08:32
  Re: steam maintenance vs diesel g 08-17-2008 - 10:04
  Re: steam maintenance vs diesel P.Kepler 08-17-2008 - 10:19
  Re: steam maintenance vs diesel Dave Smith 08-17-2008 - 12:02
  Alternative Steam Locomotive Design. Jeff A. 08-17-2008 - 12:48
  Re: steam maintenance vs diesel John Bruce 08-17-2008 - 13:00
  Re: steam maintenance vs diesel Dave Smith 08-18-2008 - 10:01
  Re: steam maintenance vs diesel John Bruce 08-18-2008 - 10:41
  Re: steam maintenance vs diesel GRRR 08-18-2008 - 11:50
  Re: steam maintenance vs diesel mook 08-18-2008 - 16:50
  Re: steam maintenance vs diesel E 08-19-2008 - 14:52
  Re: steam maintenance vs diesel Dave Smith 08-19-2008 - 19:15
  Re: steam maintenance vs diesel Jacob Marley 08-19-2008 - 21:27
  Re: steam maintenance vs diesel E 08-19-2008 - 22:52
  Re: steam maintenance vs diesel e 08-19-2008 - 22:51
  Re: steam maintenance vs diesel Earl Pitts 08-20-2008 - 10:02
  Re: steam maintenance vs diesel Mike Swanson 08-20-2008 - 18:52
  Re: electric trains The Montezuma Yardmaster 08-21-2008 - 19:04
  Re: electric trains fkrock 08-21-2008 - 21:20


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