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Re: John Bruce and other dips
Author: OPRRMS
Date: 12-04-2008 - 22:33
Extra Board Wrote:
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> You've got to be kidding. Shoplifting? Gay? Tax
> Liens? What's next you clown- Witch Trials??? If
> you are suggesting that the only way we can safely
> run trains is if EVERY EMPLOYEE who could affect
> the movement of trains MUST BE WITHOUT ANY KIND OF
> PERSONAL PROBLEM WHATSOEVER. Anyone who subcribes
> to your line of thinking has absolutely NO IDEA
> what it is to work in this industry. Guess what
> smart guy- IT'S LIKE EVRYWHERE ELSE. There will
> ALWAYS be people who shouldn't be in their line of
> work. There will ALWAYS be alchohlics,
> shoplifters, drug abusers, wife beaters, child
> molesters and the generally DUMB. You proved it
> right away. I can't believe what I read in your
> posts. What the hell do you think this industry
> is? Military Airlift Command/Special Operations
> Group? Navy SEALS?
>
> Fact: No one will ever prove he was or was not
> distracted by ANYTHING, including texting,
> birdcrap on the window, people throwing rocks, or
> ANY OTHER DAMN THING THAT HUMANS CAN GET DISRACTED
> BY. I'm sure you've NEVER missed your off-ramp,
> made a late payment or forgot something at the
> store. Here's a GCOR question for you: Call and
> Observe Signals...that rule requires crewmembers
> to communicate to each other signals that, in
> essence, require a more restrictive operation.
> Like coming up on a flashing yellow, hard yellow
> or red. Amtrak and Metrolink do this all the time
> over the radio. Did Sanchez call out a RED signal?
> No. Did he call out an Approach indication? No. He
> went as though it was clear. Maybe it was. In my
> time, I've personally seen one false clear
> indication at UP Hobart Tower, and have had my
> employer admit to another false clear at Pittsburg
> in 2007.
I'm in 100% agreement with you that we'll never know why he didn't stop at CP Topanga. As you say, he was operating the train just he would have had if he were looking at a green signal.
As for the false clear theory, I have personally encountered a Safetran Model V-20R signal at a control point (same as the one at CP Topanga) that had both the RED and GREEN bulbs illuminated. It had been preceded by a FLASHING YELLOW and then a YELLOW. Not saying that's what happened here; I don't know what happened.
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> You've got to be kidding. Shoplifting? Gay? Tax
> Liens? What's next you clown- Witch Trials??? If
> you are suggesting that the only way we can safely
> run trains is if EVERY EMPLOYEE who could affect
> the movement of trains MUST BE WITHOUT ANY KIND OF
> PERSONAL PROBLEM WHATSOEVER. Anyone who subcribes
> to your line of thinking has absolutely NO IDEA
> what it is to work in this industry. Guess what
> smart guy- IT'S LIKE EVRYWHERE ELSE. There will
> ALWAYS be people who shouldn't be in their line of
> work. There will ALWAYS be alchohlics,
> shoplifters, drug abusers, wife beaters, child
> molesters and the generally DUMB. You proved it
> right away. I can't believe what I read in your
> posts. What the hell do you think this industry
> is? Military Airlift Command/Special Operations
> Group? Navy SEALS?
>
> Fact: No one will ever prove he was or was not
> distracted by ANYTHING, including texting,
> birdcrap on the window, people throwing rocks, or
> ANY OTHER DAMN THING THAT HUMANS CAN GET DISRACTED
> BY. I'm sure you've NEVER missed your off-ramp,
> made a late payment or forgot something at the
> store. Here's a GCOR question for you: Call and
> Observe Signals...that rule requires crewmembers
> to communicate to each other signals that, in
> essence, require a more restrictive operation.
> Like coming up on a flashing yellow, hard yellow
> or red. Amtrak and Metrolink do this all the time
> over the radio. Did Sanchez call out a RED signal?
> No. Did he call out an Approach indication? No. He
> went as though it was clear. Maybe it was. In my
> time, I've personally seen one false clear
> indication at UP Hobart Tower, and have had my
> employer admit to another false clear at Pittsburg
> in 2007.
I'm in 100% agreement with you that we'll never know why he didn't stop at CP Topanga. As you say, he was operating the train just he would have had if he were looking at a green signal.
As for the false clear theory, I have personally encountered a Safetran Model V-20R signal at a control point (same as the one at CP Topanga) that had both the RED and GREEN bulbs illuminated. It had been preceded by a FLASHING YELLOW and then a YELLOW. Not saying that's what happened here; I don't know what happened.
