Re: Blame the Employees
Author: John Bruce
Date: 12-06-2008 - 15:09

OPRRMS, I'm fully aware there isn't a computer that "drives" the train, but cajon and Extra Board have been pushing the idea that there is, and it was this computer's fault, not Sanchez. I was referring to this.

I've also been making the point for days that, while calling signals doesn't always help -- no rule solves everything in every situation, does it? Nevertheless, calling signals, or the expectation of calling signals, would have helped at CP Topanga. In several ways. If Sanchez had known he'd been expected to call the signal at Topanga -- which he didn't -- but if he'd called it, he might have noticed it was red and stopped texting. Just maybe. But if Hillenbrand, the conductor, had expected a call at Topanga -- he was qualified on the route and should have -- and didn't hear it, well, then, he could have contacted Sanchez and maybe woken the guy up before the trains collided.

It's kinda dense to say this is moot because it wasn't done. It appears there was a general culture at Veolia, in which we may assume supervisors participated, of ignoring rule violations.

Even at Lilac, the conductor ignored the rule -- after hearing the yellow called -- that the engineer had to slow imediately to 40. Again, live and let live, huh?



Subject Written By Date/Time (PST)
  Autopsy report on Engr. Sanchez [LA Times link] OPRRMS 12-03-2008 - 22:04
  Re: Autopsy report on Engr. Sanchez [LA Times link] John Bruce 12-04-2008 - 08:03
  Re: Autopsy report on Engr. Sanchez [LA Times link] Q4U 12-04-2008 - 10:06
  Re: Autopsy report on Engr. Sanchez [LA Times link] John Bruce 12-04-2008 - 11:30
  Re: Autopsy report on Engr. Sanchez... (KTLA Link) Jon 12-04-2008 - 12:37
  Re: Autopsy report on Engr. Sanchez [LA Times link] Dr Zarkoff 12-04-2008 - 23:23
  Re: Autopsy report on Engr. Sanchez [LA Times link] Cain Rock Yardmaster 12-06-2008 - 03:47
  Re: Autopsy report on Engr. Sanchez [LA Times link] J 12-04-2008 - 12:31
  Re: Autopsy report on Engr. Sanchez [LA Times link] Drew Jacksich 12-04-2008 - 17:07
  Re: Autopsy report on Engr. Sanchez [LA Times link] One guess 12-04-2008 - 18:24
  Re: Autopsy report on Engr. Sanchez [LA Times link] CWLee 12-05-2008 - 00:51
  Re: Autopsy report on Engr. Sanchez [LA Times link] OPRRMS 12-04-2008 - 22:18
  Re: Autopsy report on Engr. Sanchez [LA Times link] BOB2 12-08-2008 - 17:38
  Re: signals pedo viejo 12-04-2008 - 19:36
  Re: John Bruce and other dips Extra Board 12-04-2008 - 22:04
  Re: John Bruce and other dips OPRRMS 12-04-2008 - 22:33
  Re: John Bruce and other dips John Bruce 12-05-2008 - 13:43
  Re: John Bruce and other dips OPRRMS 12-05-2008 - 14:05
  Re: John Bruce and other dips John Bruce 12-05-2008 - 15:02
  Re: John Bruce and other dips OPRRMS 12-05-2008 - 22:44
  Re: John Bruce and other dips John Bruce 12-06-2008 - 07:41
  Re: John Bruce and other dips OPRRMS 12-06-2008 - 14:30
  Re: John Bruce and other dips John Bruce 12-06-2008 - 15:01
  Re: John Bruce and other dips OPRRMS 12-06-2008 - 18:16
  Re: John Bruce and other dips John Bruce 12-07-2008 - 07:42
  Re: John Bruce and other dips oprrms 12-07-2008 - 15:50
  Re: John Bruce and other dips John Bruce 12-08-2008 - 07:36
  Re: John Bruce and other dips Clovis Man 12-08-2008 - 14:46
  Re: John Bruce and other dips OPRRMS 12-08-2008 - 19:39
  Re: John Bruce and other dips almo 12-08-2008 - 23:18
  Re: John Bruce and other dips T Judah 12-05-2008 - 00:43
  Re: John Bruce and other dips John Bruce 12-05-2008 - 13:47
  Re: signals Dr Zarkoff 12-04-2008 - 23:22
  Re: signals George Andrews 12-05-2008 - 11:51
  Re: "Roomie" Bruce Kelly 12-05-2008 - 12:06
  Re: signals OPRRMS 12-05-2008 - 13:11
  Re: LA Times today-Aldus Huxley Extra Board 12-05-2008 - 14:56
  Re: LA Times today-Aldus Huxley John Bruce 12-05-2008 - 15:06
  Re: LA Times today-Aldus Huxley Extra Board 12-05-2008 - 19:01
  Re: LA Times today-Aldus Huxley Curious 12-05-2008 - 22:39
  Re: LA Times today-Aldus Huxley Dr Zarkoff 12-05-2008 - 23:10
  Atwood - reference links OPRRMS 12-05-2008 - 23:33
  Re: LA Times today-Aldus Huxley John Bruce 12-06-2008 - 07:51
  Blame the Employees cajon 12-06-2008 - 13:50
  Re: Blame the Employees John Bruce 12-06-2008 - 14:07
  Re: Blame the Employees OPRRMS 12-06-2008 - 14:50
  Re: Blame the Employees John Bruce 12-06-2008 - 15:09
  Re: Blame the Employees OPRRMS 12-06-2008 - 18:36
  Re: Blame the Employees John Bruce 12-07-2008 - 07:47
  Re: Blame the Employees Dr Zarkoff 12-07-2008 - 12:51
  Re: Blame the Employees John Bruce 12-07-2008 - 13:19
  Re: Blame the Employees OPRRMS 12-07-2008 - 16:11
  Re: Blame the Employees Dr Zarkoff 12-08-2008 - 00:56
  Re: Blame the Employees OPRRMS 12-07-2008 - 16:07
  Re: Blame the Employees John Bruce 12-08-2008 - 07:30
  Re: Blame the Employees OPRRMS 12-08-2008 - 18:42
  Re: Blame the Employees John Bruce 12-07-2008 - 13:28
  Re: Blame the Employees OPRRMS 12-07-2008 - 16:23
  Re: Blame the Employees John Bruce 12-08-2008 - 07:26
  Re: Blame the Employees Dr Zarkoff 12-08-2008 - 16:33
  Re: Blame the Employees OPRRMS 12-08-2008 - 19:02
  Re: Blame the Employees Dr Zarkoff 12-09-2008 - 19:03
  Re: Blame the Employees Extra Board 12-08-2008 - 21:30
  Re: Blame the Employees J.B. vs. OPRRMS SMACKDOWN !!! George Andrews 12-09-2008 - 14:18
  Re: Blame the Employees J.B. vs. OPRRMS SMACKDOWN !!! OPRRMS 12-09-2008 - 14:45
  Re: Blame the Employees J.B. vs. OPRRMS SMACKDOWN !!! George Andrews 12-09-2008 - 18:07
  Re: Blame the Employees J.B. vs. OPRRMS SMACKDOWN !!! OPRRMS 12-09-2008 - 18:32
  Re: LA Times today-Aldus Huxley OPRRMS 12-06-2008 - 14:41
  Re: LA Times today-Aldus Huxley John Bruce 12-06-2008 - 15:12
  Re: LA Times today-Aldus Huxley OPRRMS 12-06-2008 - 18:44
  Re: LA Times today-Aldus Huxley OPRRMS 12-05-2008 - 22:51
  Re: LA Times today-Aldus Huxley AARDVARK 12-07-2008 - 06:19
  Re: LA Times today-Aldus Huxley vs. - the good old days... George Andrews 12-07-2008 - 10:26
  More Grist For The Mill Holly Gibson 12-13-2008 - 02:24
  Re: More Grist For The Mill Extra Board 12-14-2008 - 11:57


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