Re: Blame the Employees
Author: OPRRMS
Date: 12-07-2008 - 16:07

John Bruce Wrote:
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> OPRRMS, haven't people pointed out that the minor
> rewording of the new Metrolink rule had no effect
> on the requirement that the engineer slow
> immediately to 40 on passing the yellow?

That's not what the requirement was prior to the revision.

> No rule
> has a "when you get around to it" provision.

Of course not, and that's not what was claimed or stated. Rule revisions go into effect to the time they are issued or at the "effective time" stated in the revision. GCOR Rule 1.3.2 applies, and a crew that goes on duty before a rule revision is issued, is not bound by it.

> You
> yourself in a previous post said if it had been
> you, you'd have contacted the Lilac engineer by
> radio when it was clear he wasn't slowing down,
> and the engineer would also have been correct in
> pulling the emergency cord.

You've made two errors here. First, I never expect anyone else to do what I might do, and two, in the instance you cite, it would've been the conductor, not the engineer, "pulling the emergency cord."

> This wasn't the signal calling rule, but another
> rule was in fact ignored here. My point was,
> above, that no single rule solves everything, but
> if multiple rules are habitually ignored, as seems
> to be the case here, you get accidents. You seem
> not to agree.

I don't agree, simply because if "rules are habitually ignored" as you claim, collision and accidents would run rampant on Metrolink, and that isn't the case.

> But don't you agree the rules are
> written in blood?

Nope. It's a catch phrase.



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  Autopsy report on Engr. Sanchez [LA Times link] OPRRMS 12-03-2008 - 22:04
  Re: Autopsy report on Engr. Sanchez [LA Times link] John Bruce 12-04-2008 - 08:03
  Re: Autopsy report on Engr. Sanchez [LA Times link] Q4U 12-04-2008 - 10:06
  Re: Autopsy report on Engr. Sanchez [LA Times link] John Bruce 12-04-2008 - 11:30
  Re: Autopsy report on Engr. Sanchez... (KTLA Link) Jon 12-04-2008 - 12:37
  Re: Autopsy report on Engr. Sanchez [LA Times link] Dr Zarkoff 12-04-2008 - 23:23
  Re: Autopsy report on Engr. Sanchez [LA Times link] Cain Rock Yardmaster 12-06-2008 - 03:47
  Re: Autopsy report on Engr. Sanchez [LA Times link] J 12-04-2008 - 12:31
  Re: Autopsy report on Engr. Sanchez [LA Times link] Drew Jacksich 12-04-2008 - 17:07
  Re: Autopsy report on Engr. Sanchez [LA Times link] One guess 12-04-2008 - 18:24
  Re: Autopsy report on Engr. Sanchez [LA Times link] CWLee 12-05-2008 - 00:51
  Re: Autopsy report on Engr. Sanchez [LA Times link] OPRRMS 12-04-2008 - 22:18
  Re: Autopsy report on Engr. Sanchez [LA Times link] BOB2 12-08-2008 - 17:38
  Re: signals pedo viejo 12-04-2008 - 19:36
  Re: John Bruce and other dips Extra Board 12-04-2008 - 22:04
  Re: John Bruce and other dips OPRRMS 12-04-2008 - 22:33
  Re: John Bruce and other dips John Bruce 12-05-2008 - 13:43
  Re: John Bruce and other dips OPRRMS 12-05-2008 - 14:05
  Re: John Bruce and other dips John Bruce 12-05-2008 - 15:02
  Re: John Bruce and other dips OPRRMS 12-05-2008 - 22:44
  Re: John Bruce and other dips John Bruce 12-06-2008 - 07:41
  Re: John Bruce and other dips OPRRMS 12-06-2008 - 14:30
  Re: John Bruce and other dips John Bruce 12-06-2008 - 15:01
  Re: John Bruce and other dips OPRRMS 12-06-2008 - 18:16
  Re: John Bruce and other dips John Bruce 12-07-2008 - 07:42
  Re: John Bruce and other dips oprrms 12-07-2008 - 15:50
  Re: John Bruce and other dips John Bruce 12-08-2008 - 07:36
  Re: John Bruce and other dips Clovis Man 12-08-2008 - 14:46
  Re: John Bruce and other dips OPRRMS 12-08-2008 - 19:39
  Re: John Bruce and other dips almo 12-08-2008 - 23:18
  Re: John Bruce and other dips T Judah 12-05-2008 - 00:43
  Re: John Bruce and other dips John Bruce 12-05-2008 - 13:47
  Re: signals Dr Zarkoff 12-04-2008 - 23:22
  Re: signals George Andrews 12-05-2008 - 11:51
  Re: "Roomie" Bruce Kelly 12-05-2008 - 12:06
  Re: signals OPRRMS 12-05-2008 - 13:11
  Re: LA Times today-Aldus Huxley Extra Board 12-05-2008 - 14:56
  Re: LA Times today-Aldus Huxley John Bruce 12-05-2008 - 15:06
  Re: LA Times today-Aldus Huxley Extra Board 12-05-2008 - 19:01
  Re: LA Times today-Aldus Huxley Curious 12-05-2008 - 22:39
  Re: LA Times today-Aldus Huxley Dr Zarkoff 12-05-2008 - 23:10
  Atwood - reference links OPRRMS 12-05-2008 - 23:33
  Re: LA Times today-Aldus Huxley John Bruce 12-06-2008 - 07:51
  Blame the Employees cajon 12-06-2008 - 13:50
  Re: Blame the Employees John Bruce 12-06-2008 - 14:07
  Re: Blame the Employees OPRRMS 12-06-2008 - 14:50
  Re: Blame the Employees John Bruce 12-06-2008 - 15:09
  Re: Blame the Employees OPRRMS 12-06-2008 - 18:36
  Re: Blame the Employees John Bruce 12-07-2008 - 07:47
  Re: Blame the Employees Dr Zarkoff 12-07-2008 - 12:51
  Re: Blame the Employees John Bruce 12-07-2008 - 13:19
  Re: Blame the Employees OPRRMS 12-07-2008 - 16:11
  Re: Blame the Employees Dr Zarkoff 12-08-2008 - 00:56
  Re: Blame the Employees OPRRMS 12-07-2008 - 16:07
  Re: Blame the Employees John Bruce 12-08-2008 - 07:30
  Re: Blame the Employees OPRRMS 12-08-2008 - 18:42
  Re: Blame the Employees John Bruce 12-07-2008 - 13:28
  Re: Blame the Employees OPRRMS 12-07-2008 - 16:23
  Re: Blame the Employees John Bruce 12-08-2008 - 07:26
  Re: Blame the Employees Dr Zarkoff 12-08-2008 - 16:33
  Re: Blame the Employees OPRRMS 12-08-2008 - 19:02
  Re: Blame the Employees Dr Zarkoff 12-09-2008 - 19:03
  Re: Blame the Employees Extra Board 12-08-2008 - 21:30
  Re: Blame the Employees J.B. vs. OPRRMS SMACKDOWN !!! George Andrews 12-09-2008 - 14:18
  Re: Blame the Employees J.B. vs. OPRRMS SMACKDOWN !!! OPRRMS 12-09-2008 - 14:45
  Re: Blame the Employees J.B. vs. OPRRMS SMACKDOWN !!! George Andrews 12-09-2008 - 18:07
  Re: Blame the Employees J.B. vs. OPRRMS SMACKDOWN !!! OPRRMS 12-09-2008 - 18:32
  Re: LA Times today-Aldus Huxley OPRRMS 12-06-2008 - 14:41
  Re: LA Times today-Aldus Huxley John Bruce 12-06-2008 - 15:12
  Re: LA Times today-Aldus Huxley OPRRMS 12-06-2008 - 18:44
  Re: LA Times today-Aldus Huxley OPRRMS 12-05-2008 - 22:51
  Re: LA Times today-Aldus Huxley AARDVARK 12-07-2008 - 06:19
  Re: LA Times today-Aldus Huxley vs. - the good old days... George Andrews 12-07-2008 - 10:26
  More Grist For The Mill Holly Gibson 12-13-2008 - 02:24
  Re: More Grist For The Mill Extra Board 12-14-2008 - 11:57


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