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Re: Virgin Kelso Cima Grade? Is there a point?
Author: BOB2
Date: 07-06-2020 - 01:40
Rex Question Wrote:
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> How is Virgin rail going to avoid the same fate as
> talgo-dreams, environuts and political paycheck
> waves from previous 'concepts' in building a
> service to Las Vegas?
>
> Yes, they have a completed EIR paper to start
> with.
>
> It's still a new ROW.
>
> Won't they still have to fight "complaints and
> suits" despite the completed EIR?
>
> What about the idea of extending San Joaquins from
> Bakersfield to Vegas?
>
> Is there any logic in that route?
>
>
> I ask these questions after reading the thread
> that had this post:
>
>
> Re: Amtrak Pioneer: Amtrak to Vegas
>
> Author: E
>
> Date: 12-12-2006 - 10:39
>
> IIRC, all of this was studied a few years ago, and
> UP and Amtrak came to an agreement on double
> tracking the Cima Hill part of this run (Kelso to
> Cima, which is 2.2% grade), which would prevent
> Amtrak from having to follow freights struggling
> up the hill.
>
> About that time, the enviros went into warp drive
> about what the construction work to add the second
> track would do to the habitat of the endangered
> desert tortise and began filing complaints and
> suits to stop it or delay it endlessly.
>
> Also about that same time, Amtrak ran out of money
> for such projects, and various studies showed the
> market just wasn't there in the first place.
>
> Again, this is all IIRC, and could be wrong in
> some or all parts.
>
> Subject to change without notice,
> misinterpretations, misconceptions,
> misunderstandings, rants, jealousies, divorces,
> unrealistic expectations, fantasies, hope,
> excessive optimism, pessimism, skepticism and
> cynicism, lies, unknowns, budget cuts, Murphy's
> Law, sense of entitlement, and other factors. Your
> mileage may vary. May cause cancer in rats. There
> are no guarantees of fitness or suitability for
> any purpose. Do not try this at home; these are
> professionals working on a closed course, without
> a net. Some assembly required. Batteries not
> included. No checked baggage handled on Sundays or
> Holidays. Stops on flag only to pick up passengers
> destined beyond Detroit. Westbound trains are
> superior to eastbound trains, except runaways. No
> warranties, expressed or implied.
The system is rigged, all is doom, the end is near.... Is there any point to this? Or is it just a litany of woes? Many projects have been proposed over 50 years... This is the only with the due diligence done and deep pockets to finance a doable plan. Just like Virgin has done in Florida... So despite your frustrations with the world....all is not gloom and doom with this project...
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> How is Virgin rail going to avoid the same fate as
> talgo-dreams, environuts and political paycheck
> waves from previous 'concepts' in building a
> service to Las Vegas?
>
> Yes, they have a completed EIR paper to start
> with.
>
> It's still a new ROW.
>
> Won't they still have to fight "complaints and
> suits" despite the completed EIR?
>
> What about the idea of extending San Joaquins from
> Bakersfield to Vegas?
>
> Is there any logic in that route?
>
>
> I ask these questions after reading the thread
> that had this post:
>
>
> Re: Amtrak Pioneer: Amtrak to Vegas
>
> Author: E
>
> Date: 12-12-2006 - 10:39
>
> IIRC, all of this was studied a few years ago, and
> UP and Amtrak came to an agreement on double
> tracking the Cima Hill part of this run (Kelso to
> Cima, which is 2.2% grade), which would prevent
> Amtrak from having to follow freights struggling
> up the hill.
>
> About that time, the enviros went into warp drive
> about what the construction work to add the second
> track would do to the habitat of the endangered
> desert tortise and began filing complaints and
> suits to stop it or delay it endlessly.
>
> Also about that same time, Amtrak ran out of money
> for such projects, and various studies showed the
> market just wasn't there in the first place.
>
> Again, this is all IIRC, and could be wrong in
> some or all parts.
>
> Subject to change without notice,
> misinterpretations, misconceptions,
> misunderstandings, rants, jealousies, divorces,
> unrealistic expectations, fantasies, hope,
> excessive optimism, pessimism, skepticism and
> cynicism, lies, unknowns, budget cuts, Murphy's
> Law, sense of entitlement, and other factors. Your
> mileage may vary. May cause cancer in rats. There
> are no guarantees of fitness or suitability for
> any purpose. Do not try this at home; these are
> professionals working on a closed course, without
> a net. Some assembly required. Batteries not
> included. No checked baggage handled on Sundays or
> Holidays. Stops on flag only to pick up passengers
> destined beyond Detroit. Westbound trains are
> superior to eastbound trains, except runaways. No
> warranties, expressed or implied.
The system is rigged, all is doom, the end is near.... Is there any point to this? Or is it just a litany of woes? Many projects have been proposed over 50 years... This is the only with the due diligence done and deep pockets to finance a doable plan. Just like Virgin has done in Florida... So despite your frustrations with the world....all is not gloom and doom with this project...
