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Re: From the 118 to Lang under Saugus Mountain Clem
Author: BOB2
Date: 07-29-2021 - 20:53
I looked at a "toll tunnel" to bypass the 5/14, from the end of the 118-to the 14 with the folks from ACS Dragodos back in 2006-2007. A double bore dual leveltroll tunnel was both feasible and potentially very profitable.
One option would have truck lanes on the bottom level, and after "boring" a full clearance "trench" for clearances and electrification on one side of the bottom level would be dug toclearance for the "HSR" line to use....
The highway tolls paid for it with like an 8% ROI range on a fifty year franchise agreement, and basically the cost of the rail component is the incremental cost of excavating the deeper rail cut, and the connections on each end....
It was assumed back then, by a firm that had built HSR around the world, that the HSR would go up San Fernando Road, turn east northeast into and share the ROW of the 118 (like "slow thinking" "southern" Brightline is doing in Florida)and continue under the mountain to Lang. This is also approximately the same route the CAHSRA is looking at, but without the profitable toll road component to offset the cost for boring a dual use tunnel....
At that time, we had no idea that the "runaway money train" would choose to spend an additonal 3 billion to save approximately 3 minutes of running time for around 30-36 round trips, hauling 10,000 passengers daily, by tunneling under the Tujunga water table and through residential neighborhoods, with this ludicrously expensive Burbank Palmdale "contractor wet dream" of an alternative.
For comparison of "cost benefit" of that enourmous proposed Burbank "alternative" expenditure, the approximately 1 billion dollar US Link (LAUS run-through) saves approximately 10 minutes for the nearly 300 daily train movements, and 50,000 daily riders going into, out of, and through Union Station.
I applogize to all of you on AP once again, for what LES calls my "slow thinking" "southern" ways, that looks for cost effective and affordable ways to meet our travel needs and provide value to the taxpayers who a paying for it...
One option would have truck lanes on the bottom level, and after "boring" a full clearance "trench" for clearances and electrification on one side of the bottom level would be dug toclearance for the "HSR" line to use....
The highway tolls paid for it with like an 8% ROI range on a fifty year franchise agreement, and basically the cost of the rail component is the incremental cost of excavating the deeper rail cut, and the connections on each end....
It was assumed back then, by a firm that had built HSR around the world, that the HSR would go up San Fernando Road, turn east northeast into and share the ROW of the 118 (like "slow thinking" "southern" Brightline is doing in Florida)and continue under the mountain to Lang. This is also approximately the same route the CAHSRA is looking at, but without the profitable toll road component to offset the cost for boring a dual use tunnel....
At that time, we had no idea that the "runaway money train" would choose to spend an additonal 3 billion to save approximately 3 minutes of running time for around 30-36 round trips, hauling 10,000 passengers daily, by tunneling under the Tujunga water table and through residential neighborhoods, with this ludicrously expensive Burbank Palmdale "contractor wet dream" of an alternative.
For comparison of "cost benefit" of that enourmous proposed Burbank "alternative" expenditure, the approximately 1 billion dollar US Link (LAUS run-through) saves approximately 10 minutes for the nearly 300 daily train movements, and 50,000 daily riders going into, out of, and through Union Station.
I applogize to all of you on AP once again, for what LES calls my "slow thinking" "southern" ways, that looks for cost effective and affordable ways to meet our travel needs and provide value to the taxpayers who a paying for it...
