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Re: Patience hell, but let's not repeat made up stories.
Author: BOB2
Date: 10-11-2022 - 07:07
Encinitas Eddie Wrote:
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> LES Wrote:
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> > Palmdale will be a major junction for HSR, not
> in my lifetime, but it's a good place to start.
> As far as super distances with super speeds, LV,
> Southern Cal, and up the valley is a good start,
> ie, trains will actually be "high speed" over long
> distance, otherwise we just get more Caltrain
> electrification, diesels or Alstom Coradia iLins.
> Not what the voters voted for.
>
> Meanwhile, the L.A.-San Diego line is currently
> shut down because the cliffs are crumbling at San
> Clemente and Del Mar.
>
> You have to learn to crawl before you can walk and
> you have to learn to walk before you can run.
> Maybe California should have made its first effort
> at building a HSR line between L.A. and San Diego
> and there would have been a nice, new inland
> tunnel right now between San Onofre and Laguna
> Niguel and another nice, new, time-saving tunnel
> taking the tracks away from the Del Mar bluffs and
> under Miramar Hill. L.A.-San Diego is only about
> 125 miles and the line probably could have easily
> been finished by now. Public acceptance and
> support increases for other HSR projects when the
> voters actually see a train running and hauling
> people.
>
> But, no, Jerry Brown & Co. bit off more than they
> could chew and now we have a half-assed HSR line
> that has kinda-sorta been built over the flatlands
> of the San Joaquin Valley---the easiest place to
> build from a topographical and NIMBY standpoint.
> Notice that they didn't build it through the
> mountainous areas first. Why do you supposed that
> was?
Jerry Brown and company inherited this from Ahnold, and was responsible for none of the decisions regarding where to "slop the trough" in the Valley first. And while there is plenty of blame to go around, for neglect of LOSSAN's needs by the idiots at places ranging the LACMTA and Caltrans back then. Brown failed to reign this in, even when he knew better, in order to avoid problems with Feinstein. Make sure that blame falls where it deserves, but don't buy into bovine excrement that this wasn't a fully bi-partisan theft racket starting all of the way back under Pete Wilson, and including such leading lights as Kurt Pringle who's only priority for LOSSAN was his station contractors in Anaheim.
>
> This is what happens when you have a bunch of
> idiots making the decisions and they bamboozle
> everyone into thinking they know what's best.
Yep, Mehdi Morshed for political hacks on the Board, and the years of incompetent planning he lead have resulted in this costly screwed up hot mess. And he and the Board Chairman mislead (lied to) many, including themselves, to do it. The CHSRA's early incompetent management and contractors made all of the decisions on the "runaway money train" for purely political reasoning, not based on any real competent transportation planning, looking at real travel demands, observed market conditons,or any real alternatives analysis looking for the most effective or efficient alternatives. Only speed mattered, not real demand, costs, or even ridership.
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> LES Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Palmdale will be a major junction for HSR, not
> in my lifetime, but it's a good place to start.
> As far as super distances with super speeds, LV,
> Southern Cal, and up the valley is a good start,
> ie, trains will actually be "high speed" over long
> distance, otherwise we just get more Caltrain
> electrification, diesels or Alstom Coradia iLins.
> Not what the voters voted for.
>
> Meanwhile, the L.A.-San Diego line is currently
> shut down because the cliffs are crumbling at San
> Clemente and Del Mar.
>
> You have to learn to crawl before you can walk and
> you have to learn to walk before you can run.
> Maybe California should have made its first effort
> at building a HSR line between L.A. and San Diego
> and there would have been a nice, new inland
> tunnel right now between San Onofre and Laguna
> Niguel and another nice, new, time-saving tunnel
> taking the tracks away from the Del Mar bluffs and
> under Miramar Hill. L.A.-San Diego is only about
> 125 miles and the line probably could have easily
> been finished by now. Public acceptance and
> support increases for other HSR projects when the
> voters actually see a train running and hauling
> people.
>
> But, no, Jerry Brown & Co. bit off more than they
> could chew and now we have a half-assed HSR line
> that has kinda-sorta been built over the flatlands
> of the San Joaquin Valley---the easiest place to
> build from a topographical and NIMBY standpoint.
> Notice that they didn't build it through the
> mountainous areas first. Why do you supposed that
> was?
Jerry Brown and company inherited this from Ahnold, and was responsible for none of the decisions regarding where to "slop the trough" in the Valley first. And while there is plenty of blame to go around, for neglect of LOSSAN's needs by the idiots at places ranging the LACMTA and Caltrans back then. Brown failed to reign this in, even when he knew better, in order to avoid problems with Feinstein. Make sure that blame falls where it deserves, but don't buy into bovine excrement that this wasn't a fully bi-partisan theft racket starting all of the way back under Pete Wilson, and including such leading lights as Kurt Pringle who's only priority for LOSSAN was his station contractors in Anaheim.
>
> This is what happens when you have a bunch of
> idiots making the decisions and they bamboozle
> everyone into thinking they know what's best.
Yep, Mehdi Morshed for political hacks on the Board, and the years of incompetent planning he lead have resulted in this costly screwed up hot mess. And he and the Board Chairman mislead (lied to) many, including themselves, to do it. The CHSRA's early incompetent management and contractors made all of the decisions on the "runaway money train" for purely political reasoning, not based on any real competent transportation planning, looking at real travel demands, observed market conditons,or any real alternatives analysis looking for the most effective or efficient alternatives. Only speed mattered, not real demand, costs, or even ridership.
