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Re: Significantly poorer. Nope... And dense thinking seems to more in America with how we operate these expensive investments so poorly.... transit
Author: BOB2
Date: 03-23-2023 - 13:34
Lot's of factors in are different in many different places, but they tend to use "factors" in making these investments and properly operating these systems, and not solely of "visions" from "visionary" politician like Quentin Kopp of how we can be just like the Germans and Chinese, regardless of what those "factors" may tell us about rail travel demand, and a contractor driven self serving process that continues to reward lying massive cost increases, and utter incompetence at taxpayer expense.
Then there are the billion dollar LRT lines that offer 20 minute service frequencies, the $300 million dollar commute extensions that offer only 4 round trips a day, or the bus services in our "high density" areas that have been cut back to every 45 minutes. The "denseness" of this kind of stupidity results in substandard performance, regardless of what other "factors" might have favored transit or rail use.
Dense Living Matters Wrote:
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> And gas is heavily taxed and more than twice as
> expensive as the US. Spain has many good toll
> roads, maybe the best network in Europe, but last
> mile driving in the urban areas is a major pain.
>
> It's not an either/or question. But I'd rather
> live in a US single family homes neighborhood than
> a noisy, dense, multistory apartment. Look to
> Australia for a balance between US style of living
> and mostly good rail transit. No HSR, but that's
> because of low overall population and very long
> distances between urban areas.
>
> Australia didn't weaken/hollow out/destroy their
> cities via 60's riots and massive crime waves that
> resulting in multiethnic flight to suburbs
> (Thanks, Dems!) So their transit network wasn't
> neglected, underfunded, crime addled, or suffered
> a generation gap in demand and growth. Less
> pressures and incentives for jobs to follow
> workers out of the center of cities. They still
> had suburban office parks growths, but better
> planned with sensible land use regulations and
> better integrated into an expanding transit
> system.
>
> Less concern with transit bring crime, though
> sometimes a factor. But less overall crime and
> cultural disorder. Some of the loony left US
> trends also get pushed by their loony left, but
> nowhere near the nonsensical and highly
> destructive Defund the Police/Saintification of
> the criminal class/Open the prisons
> self-destruction inflicted on the US (Thanks,
> Dems!) Marxists are nuts everywhere, but at the
> end of the day the Australian electorate has been
> more moderate and reasonable. In no small part
> because over there the left realizes that it has
> to effectively govern and administer city
> services. Australia is not perfect, but it is
> certainly more balanced. Which prevents the
> reflexive rise of a right nut opportunistic Trump
> type.
Then there are the billion dollar LRT lines that offer 20 minute service frequencies, the $300 million dollar commute extensions that offer only 4 round trips a day, or the bus services in our "high density" areas that have been cut back to every 45 minutes. The "denseness" of this kind of stupidity results in substandard performance, regardless of what other "factors" might have favored transit or rail use.
Dense Living Matters Wrote:
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> And gas is heavily taxed and more than twice as
> expensive as the US. Spain has many good toll
> roads, maybe the best network in Europe, but last
> mile driving in the urban areas is a major pain.
>
> It's not an either/or question. But I'd rather
> live in a US single family homes neighborhood than
> a noisy, dense, multistory apartment. Look to
> Australia for a balance between US style of living
> and mostly good rail transit. No HSR, but that's
> because of low overall population and very long
> distances between urban areas.
>
> Australia didn't weaken/hollow out/destroy their
> cities via 60's riots and massive crime waves that
> resulting in multiethnic flight to suburbs
> (Thanks, Dems!) So their transit network wasn't
> neglected, underfunded, crime addled, or suffered
> a generation gap in demand and growth. Less
> pressures and incentives for jobs to follow
> workers out of the center of cities. They still
> had suburban office parks growths, but better
> planned with sensible land use regulations and
> better integrated into an expanding transit
> system.
>
> Less concern with transit bring crime, though
> sometimes a factor. But less overall crime and
> cultural disorder. Some of the loony left US
> trends also get pushed by their loony left, but
> nowhere near the nonsensical and highly
> destructive Defund the Police/Saintification of
> the criminal class/Open the prisons
> self-destruction inflicted on the US (Thanks,
> Dems!) Marxists are nuts everywhere, but at the
> end of the day the Australian electorate has been
> more moderate and reasonable. In no small part
> because over there the left realizes that it has
> to effectively govern and administer city
> services. Australia is not perfect, but it is
> certainly more balanced. Which prevents the
> reflexive rise of a right nut opportunistic Trump
> type.
