Re: Boardman coal ends 2020
Author: Erik H.
Date: 04-06-2010 - 13:15

What's really interesting was that until the Trojan nuclear plant was shut down, Oregon was an energy exporting state - we consistently generated more power than used.

Once Trojan was shut down, we started importing power and rates immediately jumped up (it didn't help that PGE was owned by Enron for about a decade, either.)

The environmentalists love to say that we don't need more power plants, just energy conservation and "demand-side management". Yet each year kwh usage goes up and up due to increasing loads by homes and businesses alike; population growth and larger homes, and so on. Using plug-in electric cars, trolleys/streetcars/light rail and so on, plus businesses that are heavily energy dependent (think: data centers with thousands of computer servers, and huge A/C systems) do not help.

Dams are the best thing we have and we're tearing them out. Coal is no good. Solar and wind are too erratic. Natural Gas is OK but expensive. Nuclear is expensive to start but cheap to run.

Yet the environmentalists have no problem with their big homes, because it's "all green power". Well, maybe they should tie their power to when the sun is shining and the wind is blowing - and they should be the first to elect an interruptable tariff so their meters remotely shut off at night (when solar doesn't generate) and during calm weather (when wind doesn't generate).........



Subject Written By Date/Time (PST)
  Boardman coal ends 2020 Dilbert 04-05-2010 - 12:24
  Re: Boardman coal ends 2020 Arlen Sheldrake 04-05-2010 - 13:10
  Re: Boardman coal ends 2020 Bruce Kelly 04-05-2010 - 15:05
  Re: Boardman coal ends 2020 Fed Up 04-05-2010 - 15:37
  Re: Boardman coal ends 2020 George manley 04-05-2010 - 19:52
  Re: Boardman coal ends 2020 hepkema 04-05-2010 - 20:21
  Re: Boardman coal ends 2020 Shack 04-05-2010 - 20:29
  Re: Boardman coal ends 2020 Blaine Kelly 04-05-2010 - 20:39
  Re: Boardman coal ends 2020 BN Oly 04-05-2010 - 22:10
  Re: Boardman coal ends 2020 Toad 04-05-2010 - 22:15
  Re: Boardman coal ends 2020 Toad 04-05-2010 - 22:16
  Re: Boardman coal ends 2020 Clark Griswald 04-05-2010 - 22:57
  Re: Boardman coal ends 2020 Tabasco 04-05-2010 - 23:20
  Re: Boardman coal ends 2020 Bruce Kelly 04-06-2010 - 06:02
  Re: Boardman coal ends 2020 ABM 04-06-2010 - 14:03
  Re: Boardman coal ends 2020 hepkema 04-06-2010 - 12:42
  Re: Boardman coal ends 2020 Toad 04-07-2010 - 06:44
  Re: Boardman coal ends 2020 Dilber 04-07-2010 - 17:50
  Re: Boardman coal ends 2020 Toad 04-07-2010 - 21:41
  Re: Boardman coal ends 2020 Dawn Moore 04-08-2010 - 09:31
  Re: Boardman coal ends 2020 Toad 04-09-2010 - 12:56
  Burningman Gosh its hot in here 04-07-2010 - 11:28
  By the way Fed Up 04-06-2010 - 09:05
  Re: By the way david vartanoff 04-06-2010 - 15:30
  Re: By the way K. Dunwoody 04-06-2010 - 16:08
  Re: By the way Fed Up 04-07-2010 - 10:29
  Re: Bye the weigh Squeezed Dry 04-07-2010 - 11:31
  Re: Bye the weigh Toad 04-07-2010 - 21:43
  Fed up with bozo comments about greenies Coal Slaw 04-06-2010 - 20:11
  Re: Boardman coal ends 2020 Erik H. 04-06-2010 - 13:15
  Re: Boardman coal ends 2020 Fed Up 04-06-2010 - 13:26
  Re: Boardman coal ends 2020 Factsareus 04-08-2010 - 21:39
  Re: Boardman coal ends 2020 Coal Slaw 04-07-2010 - 17:51
  Re: Boardman coal ends 2020 IGiveUP 04-07-2010 - 20:02
  Re: Boardman coal ends 2020 Yawn 04-07-2010 - 21:36
  Re: Boardman coal ends 2020 Clark Griswald 04-08-2010 - 09:17
  Re: Boardman coal ends 2020 Yawn 04-08-2010 - 09:35
  Re: Boardman coal ends 2020 Clark Griswald 04-08-2010 - 09:43
  Re: Boardman coal ends 2020 JR 04-08-2010 - 12:31
  Re: Boardman coal ends 2020 Mike Root 04-08-2010 - 12:08
  Re: Boardman coal ends 2020 FNM 04-09-2010 - 12:13
  Re: Boardman coal ends 2020 Toad 04-09-2010 - 12:58


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