Re: Train signals
Author: No station stop
Date: 12-07-2007 - 11:31

> What was left out by the media? Only that another signal was between the "Red Over Yellow" at the
> crossover, and the crash site, which signal was just plain "Red", because of a train ahead - as
> should be expected after a red over yellow.

>But that's not even the whole story. After the train had flagged past the red signal, *** a regular
> station stop ensued ***, followed by an approach to a slow ordered (and flagged) work-area.

> Not only was the train under the restriction of "flagging" a red signal, it was also under the
> restriction of the slow order. In addition, the train was governed at the time by the universal
> (federally imposed) "Delayed in block Rule", which requires that if a train stops for any reason
> (such as a station stop), it must then proceed to the next signal at slow speed (40mph or less).
> Of course, all railroad rulebooks require that when multiple governing conditions apply at the
> same time, the most restrictive condtion must apply.

OPB's analysis here of the rules and signal aspects is quite detailed and correct, but there's no "regular station stop(s)" for the Pere Marquette train between Union Station in Chicago and New Buffalo, MI, and there's nary a platform between 63rd st (the site where the train crossed over to the other track) and 52nd st (where the accident happened).

However, there certainly had to have been at least one intermediate signal between those two points, or someone has some explaining to do as to why the signals at the interlocked crossover displayed anything but a 'Stop' indication.



Subject Written By Date/Time (PST)
  Railroad Newsline for Wednesday, 12/05/07 Larry W. Grant 12-04-2007 - 20:00
  Train signals Robert 12-05-2007 - 13:07
  Re: Train signals bruce bennett 12-05-2007 - 14:21
  Re: Train signals Tom Farence 12-05-2007 - 16:09
  Re: Train signals david vartanoff 12-05-2007 - 18:12
  Re: Train signals MK 12-06-2007 - 12:49
  Re: Train signals Matthew Sabath 12-06-2007 - 11:38
  Re: Train signals J 12-07-2007 - 06:14
  Re: Train signals OldPoleBurner 12-06-2007 - 00:56
  Re: Train signals Coleman Lantern 12-06-2007 - 01:37
  Re: Train signals M. Harris 12-06-2007 - 14:27
  Re: Train signals No station stop 12-07-2007 - 11:31
  Re: Train signals j 12-07-2007 - 12:27
  Re: Train signals L/R 12-08-2007 - 10:44
  Re: Train signals Steven D. Johnson 12-12-2007 - 12:11
  Re: Train signals Milw Trainman 12-10-2007 - 09:13
  Use Canada Signals here in USA for a UNIFORM system Daniel3197 12-10-2007 - 10:30
  Re: Use Canada Signals here in USA for a UNIFORM system George Andrews 12-10-2007 - 10:42
  Re: Use Canada Signals here in USA for a UNIFORM system Craig Tambo 12-10-2007 - 16:22
  Re: DON'T Use Canada Signals here in USA for a UNIFORM system Steven D. Johnson 12-12-2007 - 12:28
  Re: DON'T Use Canada Signals here in USA for a UNIFORM system Wen Dover 12-13-2007 - 09:24


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