Re: Recent derailments - speculation as to cause
Author: Shortline Sammie
Date: 12-02-2013 - 16:53

I'm of the same opinion as SP5103 as to being s runaway and have some thoughts of my own.

Primarily I have a problem with the rest of the train continuing on for some distance and then derailing to the high side of the curve. My experience is much like SP5103's...the train goes into emergency and comes to a fairly sudden stop (depending on loads vs mtys) at 10 - 15 mph. This is assuming that they had the air cut in and had made the proper air test before departing.

In photos of the derailed locomotive it appears to be somewhere around 115 lb JOINTED rail whereas the photo of the train is resting on CWR. A possibility could be that violent harmonic rocking occurred on the jointed rail which caused the loci to just "rock and roll off the track"? This still doesn't explain why the train continued on for some distance and probably would have continued rolling except that its excessive speed was too great to negotiate the curve and it derailed and partially overturned.

I'm sure that the FRA will come up with the cause and hopefully not mandate new rules as a result.

Dick Samuels
Oregon Pacific Railroad



Subject Written By Date/Time (PST)
  Recent derailments - speculation as to cause SP5103 12-02-2013 - 10:53
  Re: Recent derailments - speculation as to cause HUTCH 7.62 12-02-2013 - 11:09
  Re: Recent derailments - speculation as to cause Earl Pitts 12-02-2013 - 11:35
  Re: Recent derailments - speculation as to cause SP5103 12-02-2013 - 12:47
  Re: Recent derailments - speculation as to cause Craig Tambo 12-02-2013 - 12:52
  Re: Recent derailments - speculation as to cause Orris 12-02-2013 - 14:13
  Re: Recent derailments - speculation as to cause Shortline Sammie 12-02-2013 - 16:53
  Re: Recent derailments - NTSB says Metro North too fast for curve 82 MPH Graham Buxton 12-02-2013 - 18:05
  Re: Recent derailments - NTSB says Metro North too fast for curve 82 MPH OPRRMS 12-02-2013 - 18:50
  Re: Recent derailments - NTSB says Metro North too fast for curve 82 MPH mook 12-02-2013 - 21:41
  Re: Recent derailments - NTSB says Metro North too fast for curve 82 MPH SP5103 12-02-2013 - 21:54
  Re: Recent derailments - NTSB says Metro North too fast for curve 82 MPH BOB2 12-02-2013 - 22:44
  Re: Recent derailments - NTSB says Metro North too fast for curve 82 MPH SP5103 12-02-2013 - 21:44
  Re: Recent derailments - NTSB says Metro North too fast for curve 82 MPH deano 12-02-2013 - 22:56
  Re: Recent derailments - NTSB says Metro North too fast for curve 82 MPH Mark 12-03-2013 - 03:52
  Re: Recent derailments - NTSB says Metro North too fast for curve 82 MPH Bruce Butler 12-03-2013 - 08:22
  Re: Recent derailments - NTSB says Metro North too fast for curve 82 MPH BOB2 12-03-2013 - 08:43
  Re: Recent derailments - NTSB says Metro North too fast for curve 82 MPH TKL 12-03-2013 - 10:05
  Re: Recent derailments - Metro North SP5103 12-03-2013 - 13:56
  Re: Recent derailments - Metro North Dr Zarkoff 12-03-2013 - 21:42
  Re: Recent derailments - Metro North SP5103 12-04-2013 - 11:16
  Re: Recent derailments - Metro North Dr Zarkoff 12-04-2013 - 11:59
  Re: Recent derailments - Metro North mook 12-04-2013 - 18:30
  Re: Recent derailments - Metro North SP5103 12-05-2013 - 12:18
  Re: Recent derailments - Metro North Dr Zarkoff 12-05-2013 - 12:55
  Re: Recent derailments - Metro North Dr Zarkoff 12-05-2013 - 12:34
  Re: Recent derailments - Metro North George Andrews 12-05-2013 - 12:59
  Re: Recent derailments - Metro North Dr Zarkoff 12-05-2013 - 14:37
  Re: Recent derailments - Metro North George Andrews 12-05-2013 - 20:40
  Re: Recent derailments - Metro North Dr Zarkoff 12-05-2013 - 20:50
  Re: Recent derailments - Metro North George Andrews 12-06-2013 - 13:59
  Re: Recent derailments - Metro North fkrock 12-06-2013 - 10:00
  Re: Recent derailments - Metro North mook 12-06-2013 - 18:01
  Re: Recent derailments - Metro North SP5103 12-05-2013 - 12:50
  Re: Recent derailments - Metro North Dr Zarkoff 12-05-2013 - 14:06
  Re: Recent derailments - NTSB says Metro North too fast for curve 82 MPH OPRRMS 12-03-2013 - 13:53
  CNN wirestory from today's NTSB press conference OPRRMS 12-03-2013 - 17:26
  Re: CNN wirestory from today's NTSB press conference deano 12-04-2013 - 08:58
  Ricky Gates et al SP5103 12-04-2013 - 10:28
  Re: Ricky Gates et al fkrock 12-04-2013 - 11:05
  Re: Ricky Gates et al Dr Zarkoff 12-04-2013 - 11:23
  Re: Ricky Gates et al George Andrews 12-04-2013 - 12:41
  Re: Ricky Gates -- OOPS !!! George Andrews 12-04-2013 - 12:49
  Re: Ricky Gates et al OPRRMS 12-04-2013 - 12:12
  Re: Ricky Gates et al Mark 12-04-2013 - 13:47
  @ Mark, RE: ACRE OPRRMS 12-04-2013 - 14:34


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