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Re: SP "1891-Train at Arcade Station" (LA area)-A real queston about trains.....
Author: BOB2
Date: 03-06-2018 - 17:50
John,
The old UP "back way" lead, came of off the lead into J yard, just after Santa Fe Avenue, and crossed the Santa Fe lead to the old Alameda and Washington team track. It went north crossing several small street, then crossing Olympic, which when I first worked it, still had a manned tower to operate the crossing gates on Olympic (long gone). The crossed east of where he old Union Terminal Building used to be at Olympic and Alameda, this "back way" lead (still the original "two track" design configuration) came out at 8th Street. Where trains would have gone onto Alameda and up to Grand Central, across from where the produce mart is today. 8th Street is also where the LA Times Paper dock and the Christmas tree market was located in the 70's and 80's, switched off of the east end.
Trains were cut off from the north and most of the Bull Ring River station complex by the early 80's, and the "street" jobs worked north out of J yard, which is where I had my last run Alameda in '86.
The Santa Monica Branch went off above 26th street, from the site of what was once PE's Butte Street yard next to the SP J yard, where the Alameda Corridor trench goes down, today. Old maps show a wye here, at the turn of the century. All of this was reworked and reconnected in various spin offs like Santa Monica Air Line to the PE and changes in operational patterns, as LA changed and grew.
I'm not the one to ask when the last service off of the street took place. When I did the consultant work in 2009-2010, I found one customer north of Olympic off of the lead, and two more between J Yard and Olympic. It appeared you could still use the tracks to the street and to the produce market, but they had been truncated so you could only access via 8th street. But no on was using them that we could find, and there were about 200 trucks parked on the tracks at 8th Street.
The old UP "back way" lead, came of off the lead into J yard, just after Santa Fe Avenue, and crossed the Santa Fe lead to the old Alameda and Washington team track. It went north crossing several small street, then crossing Olympic, which when I first worked it, still had a manned tower to operate the crossing gates on Olympic (long gone). The crossed east of where he old Union Terminal Building used to be at Olympic and Alameda, this "back way" lead (still the original "two track" design configuration) came out at 8th Street. Where trains would have gone onto Alameda and up to Grand Central, across from where the produce mart is today. 8th Street is also where the LA Times Paper dock and the Christmas tree market was located in the 70's and 80's, switched off of the east end.
Trains were cut off from the north and most of the Bull Ring River station complex by the early 80's, and the "street" jobs worked north out of J yard, which is where I had my last run Alameda in '86.
The Santa Monica Branch went off above 26th street, from the site of what was once PE's Butte Street yard next to the SP J yard, where the Alameda Corridor trench goes down, today. Old maps show a wye here, at the turn of the century. All of this was reworked and reconnected in various spin offs like Santa Monica Air Line to the PE and changes in operational patterns, as LA changed and grew.
I'm not the one to ask when the last service off of the street took place. When I did the consultant work in 2009-2010, I found one customer north of Olympic off of the lead, and two more between J Yard and Olympic. It appeared you could still use the tracks to the street and to the produce market, but they had been truncated so you could only access via 8th street. But no on was using them that we could find, and there were about 200 trucks parked on the tracks at 8th Street.
