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Re: I'm switching over to the make it a rail trail side. That Pebbles guy may have been an annoying bike Nazi but was correct. Rail is dead there. A trail could be done quickly and used by many.
Author: Davenport Deportee
Date: 01-30-2024 - 21:34
Wow Brian, looks like you got some new Big Boy pants for you this year. Hopefully, you won't be a snowflake at the meeting![s][/s]
Power to the Pebbles! Wrote:
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> You claim it takes you "hours" to drive from Live
> Oak to Watsonville in the evenings. But it is rush
> hour now and Google says 29 minutes for 19 miles
> from Twin Lakes beach to the far eastern edge of
> Watsonville. And that's with traffic and a wreck.
>
>
> This rail fantasy has gone on long enough. There's
> no freight business. It ain't coming back to the
> Socialist NIMBY coastal heart of biz unfriendly
> California.
>
> There won't be many passengers. You need a mass of
> jobs as a destination to support rail transit.
> Tiny Santa Cruz is not a business hub. The rich
> NIMBY's are not going to let the town create that
> or build enough dense housing along the line that
> might support a trolley. What jobs are there
> worked by commuters are dispersed. Best served by
> autos. Maybe a few routes with enough poor patrons
> from Salinas to support a bus route.
>
> It's a tourist area but San Francisco is in the
> other direction from Watsonville. Running via
> Watsonville and Gilroy is too slow. Not enough
> connecting passengers from LA on a future Daylight
> corrdior to San Jose to be cost effective. Even it
> was hourly. Won't happen.
>
> The slow, winding, washout prone, built over ROW
> mountain line to San Jose ain't coming back
> either.
>
> There's no future for rail in Santa Cruz unless a
> highly subsidized lightly used loser trolley that
> would primarily move crazy homeless around. And
> Vampires don't ride during the day. Surfliners or
> talgos or rdc's are just silly foamer dreams.
> Ain't happening. The best you can hope for is a
> scenic railroad. But that would see fewer users
> than a bike n hike trail.
>
> Maybe it could be turned into a 13,000 pennies a
> day handcar ride. Scenic. But exclusionary.
> Visitors of all demographics from the Oakland or
> the Central Valley or south LA can afford to bring
> their bikes or maybe rent one and ride the trail.
> 39,000 pennies for a single mom and her 2 children
> is not affordable for most.
>
> Build the bike n hike trail. It's free and can be
> done quickly. Well in CA terms. A few years vs a
> few decades. Keep a legal provision that rail can
> still be added in the future if economic ever
> warrant. It is feasible to widen a trail in a 50'
> ROW to accommodate both. path walkways have been
> added to bridges before. Dual use is not rocket
> science.
>
> Build the trail. More people will use it. But make
> it bike and hike and keep the entitle cyclists in
> their lane.
Power to the Pebbles! Wrote:
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> You claim it takes you "hours" to drive from Live
> Oak to Watsonville in the evenings. But it is rush
> hour now and Google says 29 minutes for 19 miles
> from Twin Lakes beach to the far eastern edge of
> Watsonville. And that's with traffic and a wreck.
>
>
> This rail fantasy has gone on long enough. There's
> no freight business. It ain't coming back to the
> Socialist NIMBY coastal heart of biz unfriendly
> California.
>
> There won't be many passengers. You need a mass of
> jobs as a destination to support rail transit.
> Tiny Santa Cruz is not a business hub. The rich
> NIMBY's are not going to let the town create that
> or build enough dense housing along the line that
> might support a trolley. What jobs are there
> worked by commuters are dispersed. Best served by
> autos. Maybe a few routes with enough poor patrons
> from Salinas to support a bus route.
>
> It's a tourist area but San Francisco is in the
> other direction from Watsonville. Running via
> Watsonville and Gilroy is too slow. Not enough
> connecting passengers from LA on a future Daylight
> corrdior to San Jose to be cost effective. Even it
> was hourly. Won't happen.
>
> The slow, winding, washout prone, built over ROW
> mountain line to San Jose ain't coming back
> either.
>
> There's no future for rail in Santa Cruz unless a
> highly subsidized lightly used loser trolley that
> would primarily move crazy homeless around. And
> Vampires don't ride during the day. Surfliners or
> talgos or rdc's are just silly foamer dreams.
> Ain't happening. The best you can hope for is a
> scenic railroad. But that would see fewer users
> than a bike n hike trail.
>
> Maybe it could be turned into a 13,000 pennies a
> day handcar ride. Scenic. But exclusionary.
> Visitors of all demographics from the Oakland or
> the Central Valley or south LA can afford to bring
> their bikes or maybe rent one and ride the trail.
> 39,000 pennies for a single mom and her 2 children
> is not affordable for most.
>
> Build the bike n hike trail. It's free and can be
> done quickly. Well in CA terms. A few years vs a
> few decades. Keep a legal provision that rail can
> still be added in the future if economic ever
> warrant. It is feasible to widen a trail in a 50'
> ROW to accommodate both. path walkways have been
> added to bridges before. Dual use is not rocket
> science.
>
> Build the trail. More people will use it. But make
> it bike and hike and keep the entitle cyclists in
> their lane.
