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Re: New Tri-Met RDCs

Author: espee2472

Date: 07-23-2017 - 16:41

Erik H. Wrote:
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> JOHN Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > What about the WES extension to Amtrak Station
> at Salem?
>
> 1. Involves Union Pacific, not going to happen
> without hundreds of millions of dollars.
> 2. Involves building new railroad track - no
> money for it. (The OE and UP don't have a current
> connection, aside from the Salem interchange track
> that is the wrong direction and involves two 5 MPH
> curves.)
> 3. TriMet can't unilaterally build outside its
> own district (Wilsonville's SMART pays TriMet some
> $500,000 a year to run WES into Wilsonville);
> Marion County has **ZERO** interest in paying for
> a train into its county.
> 4. Cost to upgrade the Oregon Electric is in the
> hundreds of millions at a minimum. Look at the
> "Transportation Grand Bargain" that had to cut
> numerous of far more vital projects.
> 5. ODOT has too much on its plate. And it still
> can't act without money, which the Legislature
> won't provide, because it is cutting left and
> right (for example, state government workers no
> longer get free bus passes in Salem.)
> 6. There were already strong fears that the State
> was going to kill off the Amtrak Cascade trains
> south of Portland account pathetically low
> ridership (even after a decade of operation and
> millions poured into it, the average daily
> ridership per train fills up about two of the nine
> coaches.)
>
> Bottom line - if you want WES to Salem, those
> Cherriots and SMART buses that run between
> Wilsonville and Salem need to be filled up, along
> with Amtrak Cascades - 100% load factor. When
> you drive I-5, you are ACTIVELY opposing it. And
> every day, 80,000 plus Oregonians ACTIVELY oppose
> it (and that's not counting traffic on 99E, 99W,
> River Road, and Wallace Road), while maybe 200-300
> ACTIVELY support it. We're a democracy, what does
> 80,000 no votes compared to 300 yes votes mean?

where's the horse & buggy parked?

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Subject	Written By	Date/Time (PST)
New Tri-Met RDCs	Ed Immel	07-22-2017 - 08:44
Re: New Tri-Met RDCs	Erik H.	07-22-2017 - 16:54
Re: New Tri-Met RDCs	Pdxrailtransit	07-22-2017 - 16:58
Re: New Tri-Met RDCs	Erik H.	07-22-2017 - 17:01
Re: New Tri-Met RDCs	JOHN	07-22-2017 - 19:47
Re: New Tri-Met RDCs	Arlen Sheldrake	07-22-2017 - 20:16
Re: New Tri-Met RDCs	Tom McCann	07-22-2017 - 21:16
Re: New Tri-Met RDCs	Erik H.	07-23-2017 - 09:20
Re: New Tri-Met RDCs	espee2472	07-23-2017 - 16:41

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espee2472 Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Erik H. Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > JOHN Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
> 
> > -----
> > > What about the WES extension to Amtrak
> Station
> > at Salem?
> > 
> > 1.  Involves Union Pacific, not going to happen
> > without hundreds of millions of dollars.
> > 2.  Involves building new railroad track - no
> > money for it.  (The OE and UP don't have a
> current
> > connection, aside from the Salem interchange
> track
> > that is the wrong direction and involves two 5
> MPH
> > curves.)
> > 3.  TriMet can't unilaterally build outside its
> > own district (Wilsonville's SMART pays TriMet
> some
> > $500,000 a year to run WES into Wilsonville);
> > Marion County has **ZERO** interest in paying
> for
> > a train into its county.
> > 4.  Cost to upgrade the Oregon Electric is in
> the
> > hundreds of millions at a minimum.  Look at the
> > "Transportation Grand Bargain" that had to cut
> > numerous of far more vital projects.
> > 5.  ODOT has too much on its plate.  And it
> still
> > can't act without money, which the Legislature
> > won't provide, because it is cutting left and
> > right (for example, state government workers no
> > longer get free bus passes in Salem.)
> > 6.  There were already strong fears that the
> State
> > was going to kill off the Amtrak Cascade trains
> > south of Portland account pathetically low
> > ridership (even after a decade of operation and
> > millions poured into it, the average daily
> > ridership per train fills up about two of the
> nine
> > coaches.)
> > 
> > Bottom line - if you want WES to Salem, those
> > Cherriots and SMART buses that run between
> > Wilsonville and Salem need to be filled up,
> along
> > with Amtrak Cascades - 100% load factor.   When
> > you drive I-5, you are ACTIVELY opposing it. 
> And
> > every day, 80,000 plus Oregonians ACTIVELY
> oppose
> > it (and that's not counting traffic on 99E,
> 99W,
> > River Road, and Wallace Road), while maybe
> 200-300
> > ACTIVELY support it.  We're a democracy, what
> does
> > 80,000 no votes compared to 300 yes votes mean?
> 
> where's the horse & buggy parked?

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