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Re: Re:What does the data on Portland and Denver say about cost per passenger and cost per passenger mile, then we'll discuss who should be "subsidized"?
Author: les
Date: 07-09-2019 - 14:03
Urban construction is always more expensive than rural. Just look at the Fresno trench. What was that, 1 billion for 1 mi. Rural land is always cheaper, no comparison. There is nothing much east of Denver on route to DIA.
$1.2 billion: Construction cost (Denver Post) 23 miles.
$52 million: Cost per mile ($32 million cost per km) (Streetsblog)
Cheap, cheap, cheap, cheap, cheap.
Portland Max $2.50 for ride from Hillsboro to PDX. Max was subsidized at $3.00/ride in 2015, I assume cheaper now.
BOB2 Wrote:
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> Does anyone have the farebox ratio and average
> cost per passenger mile for the Portland line?
> Then, we could clearly compare and contrast, the
> costs and benefits of these two systems, using
> math.....?
>
> It would be interesting to do the math on the
> subsidy per passenger and more important per
> passenger mile, from downtown Portland to the
> Airport, and compare the total cost with subsidy
> (and other differentials like travel time) to the
> passenger volumes generated, by Denver?
>
> But, where did "build in bay area" come up this
> line of nonsense about building to DIA being so
> much cheaper across the prairie? Do the farmers
> who own that "prairie", now located between DIA,
> and one of the fastest growing urban centers in
> America, really want to sell them ROW for so much
> less? Is the cost of track construction per mile
> really somehow cheaper on the "prairie" of the
> Denver metro region...?
$1.2 billion: Construction cost (Denver Post) 23 miles.
$52 million: Cost per mile ($32 million cost per km) (Streetsblog)
Cheap, cheap, cheap, cheap, cheap.
Portland Max $2.50 for ride from Hillsboro to PDX. Max was subsidized at $3.00/ride in 2015, I assume cheaper now.
BOB2 Wrote:
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> Does anyone have the farebox ratio and average
> cost per passenger mile for the Portland line?
> Then, we could clearly compare and contrast, the
> costs and benefits of these two systems, using
> math.....?
>
> It would be interesting to do the math on the
> subsidy per passenger and more important per
> passenger mile, from downtown Portland to the
> Airport, and compare the total cost with subsidy
> (and other differentials like travel time) to the
> passenger volumes generated, by Denver?
>
> But, where did "build in bay area" come up this
> line of nonsense about building to DIA being so
> much cheaper across the prairie? Do the farmers
> who own that "prairie", now located between DIA,
> and one of the fastest growing urban centers in
> America, really want to sell them ROW for so much
> less? Is the cost of track construction per mile
> really somehow cheaper on the "prairie" of the
> Denver metro region...?
