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Re: Fantasy Planning Camp... Oh yeah, the 57 extension was actually a very early project in my second career...
Author: BOB2
Date: 07-27-2024 - 12:32
Question for Bob2 Wrote:
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> Did you ever work on that proposed Orange County
> riverbed freeway they wanted to build? (Santa Ana
> riverbed between the 405 and 5)
>
> I always thought if it was ever actually built, it
> wouldn't last long through our once every ten year
> "storms" that lay waste.
Yep, I sure did, and early on what the demand for the extension of the 57 HOV lane that was going to be on it. And later, after I'd moved on to toll road work, I was asked to find out if we could help finance building tolls, like the south OC toll roads.
I had watched from the sidelines over the intervening years, as folks discovered the real costs of building an elevated structure on top of a very high water table in earthquake country.
And a few years later, when I had moved on to doing road pricing and toll road studies, I was asked to find out if "tolls" could help "backfill" the huge hole in the estimated construction budget.
As toll connectors goes, it performed very poorly, duplicates a lot of the demand on the 55, just as the HOV lane had performed poorly compared to most the HOV lanes we eventually built.
Costs along with the neighbors going nuts over the massive intrusive structures, finally gave it the death it deserved.
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> Did you ever work on that proposed Orange County
> riverbed freeway they wanted to build? (Santa Ana
> riverbed between the 405 and 5)
>
> I always thought if it was ever actually built, it
> wouldn't last long through our once every ten year
> "storms" that lay waste.
Yep, I sure did, and early on what the demand for the extension of the 57 HOV lane that was going to be on it. And later, after I'd moved on to toll road work, I was asked to find out if we could help finance building tolls, like the south OC toll roads.
I had watched from the sidelines over the intervening years, as folks discovered the real costs of building an elevated structure on top of a very high water table in earthquake country.
And a few years later, when I had moved on to doing road pricing and toll road studies, I was asked to find out if "tolls" could help "backfill" the huge hole in the estimated construction budget.
As toll connectors goes, it performed very poorly, duplicates a lot of the demand on the 55, just as the HOV lane had performed poorly compared to most the HOV lanes we eventually built.
Costs along with the neighbors going nuts over the massive intrusive structures, finally gave it the death it deserved.
