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Re: Dan Walters: Brown has a way out of HSR mess
Author: Worcester
Date: 08-08-2011 - 15:53
BOB2 Wrote:
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> Bob R.
>
> Ideologues don't need things like facts, or
> experience, to form an opinion of anything, they
> know everything already. What some people seem to
> think they know about bond markets and debt
> obligations doesn't seem to show a lot of advanced
> course work? Sometimes Bob, people just like to
> join in a herd mentality, as it requires far less
> thinking, and allows for much more bleating.
There you go again, speaking in cloudy terms; which herds are you talking about? The liberal herd or the conservative herd? Every side has a herd, the question is: which herd do you belong to.
> I actually know of several of the staff that Brown
> has assigned to this.
And? This means what? I know "people" too, I have previously worked with one on the SMART project. Does that make me an authority?
I think I can point to
> these folks as one of the reasons for a number of
> recent departures by some of the more stellar
> "visionary" types at the CHSRA.
How so? Don't get too specific. Libel is a wonderful thing.
> The degree to which the Federal program is
> modified or redirected will certainly affect State
> reforms now on the table. There are numerous real
> rail passenger, track and signal upgrades, and
> grade separtation projects that can be funded now,
> and qualify for these funds.
If you are in the conservative herd, then this funding would be considered socialism. Better check your herd think.
I suspect any real
> reform deal will make the kind of changes that
> moves funds to these "real" shovel ready projects.
I was on a real "shovel ready" project, updating a major interstate in Chicago. From my point of view, useful work because the work was accessible to anyone driving in Chicago.
> That certainly is one likely scenario, as
> opposed to much of the "kill Thomas" bleating
> popular in this thread.
You complained in a post below about using labels, yet here you are, applying labels.
And, that would be a far
> better basis for any successful HSIPP program that
> goes forward.
>
> Brown wants the jobs, he knows the current CHSRA
> is an organizational and political basket case
> unable even to respond, he should know that the
> local and regional HSIPP projects can be built
> faster, and could do more for developing rail
> passenger markets in our congested corridors, now.
How so? This is just "label" thinking.
> If he moves even part of the way in that
> direction, that wouldn't be all that bad.
>
> Brown had the balls to tell Caltrans they weren't
> going to build the $6 billion Beverly Hills
> Freeway, and about 20 others that we couldn't
> afford, back in the 70"s. I think Brown will
> reign in the HSR, and refocus it on getting more
> out improving on our currrent networks. I think
> that's the real basis for the HOV lane analogy?
> --Get more out of what we have--
Alright, we agree. Get our money's worth.
-------------------------------------------------------
> Bob R.
>
> Ideologues don't need things like facts, or
> experience, to form an opinion of anything, they
> know everything already. What some people seem to
> think they know about bond markets and debt
> obligations doesn't seem to show a lot of advanced
> course work? Sometimes Bob, people just like to
> join in a herd mentality, as it requires far less
> thinking, and allows for much more bleating.
There you go again, speaking in cloudy terms; which herds are you talking about? The liberal herd or the conservative herd? Every side has a herd, the question is: which herd do you belong to.
> I actually know of several of the staff that Brown
> has assigned to this.
And? This means what? I know "people" too, I have previously worked with one on the SMART project. Does that make me an authority?
I think I can point to
> these folks as one of the reasons for a number of
> recent departures by some of the more stellar
> "visionary" types at the CHSRA.
How so? Don't get too specific. Libel is a wonderful thing.
> The degree to which the Federal program is
> modified or redirected will certainly affect State
> reforms now on the table. There are numerous real
> rail passenger, track and signal upgrades, and
> grade separtation projects that can be funded now,
> and qualify for these funds.
If you are in the conservative herd, then this funding would be considered socialism. Better check your herd think.
I suspect any real
> reform deal will make the kind of changes that
> moves funds to these "real" shovel ready projects.
I was on a real "shovel ready" project, updating a major interstate in Chicago. From my point of view, useful work because the work was accessible to anyone driving in Chicago.
> That certainly is one likely scenario, as
> opposed to much of the "kill Thomas" bleating
> popular in this thread.
You complained in a post below about using labels, yet here you are, applying labels.
And, that would be a far
> better basis for any successful HSIPP program that
> goes forward.
>
> Brown wants the jobs, he knows the current CHSRA
> is an organizational and political basket case
> unable even to respond, he should know that the
> local and regional HSIPP projects can be built
> faster, and could do more for developing rail
> passenger markets in our congested corridors, now.
How so? This is just "label" thinking.
> If he moves even part of the way in that
> direction, that wouldn't be all that bad.
>
> Brown had the balls to tell Caltrans they weren't
> going to build the $6 billion Beverly Hills
> Freeway, and about 20 others that we couldn't
> afford, back in the 70"s. I think Brown will
> reign in the HSR, and refocus it on getting more
> out improving on our currrent networks. I think
> that's the real basis for the HOV lane analogy?
> --Get more out of what we have--
Alright, we agree. Get our money's worth.
