There are folks who truly know neither the price, nor the value of anything?

Yes 15 minutes of commuter time times 20,000 riders a day is a significant benefit, even from Anaheim to LA.... Doubling that number from more frequent, faster, and more reliable service on LOSSAN wouldn't hurt traffic on the I-5 either.

There are plenty of valid criticisms of our varied efforts on the rightly controversial HSR program and of our "gubmint" too, where well reasoned arguments can be put forth to make a valid case, then there is this frustrated "know nothing" gainsay nonsense about those evil trains and that evil "gubmint", where reason is not necessary, just an ample dose of rage.