How much business the NWP got after 1983 was directly related to what lumber was going for on the open market. If your dumping on the market to get rid of excess inventory, then rail is the choice as you want to preserve as a much bottom line as you can because of the low prices you're asking for the product. PALCO was a steady customer of the NWP after 1983, so if what Mike says is true about PALCO dumping lumber, then it explains why they used more a great deal.