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Re: SP 4449 South through UP Brooklyn Yard?? >> Thanks Kwcc
Author: A-1
Date: 05-10-2017 - 22:18
Erik H. Wrote:
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> HUTCH 7.62 Wrote:
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> > Money Talks.
>
> And as a result, the 4449 group can pay for THEIR
> own engine themselves; plus buy the engine from
> the good residents of the City of Portland that
> preserved it from the Southern Pacific, plus repay
> the City of Portland loan immediately for the
> construction of ORHF.
>
> To run a large steam locomotive as one's personal
> play toy while simultaneously giving a huge middle
> finger to the railfan community and the public is
> an insult to those who have donated or contributed
> to the engine in the past. If "money talks", then
> the 4449 needs to stop begging the public for
> money and go after corporate sponsors like GWI.
> They need to rescind their non-profit status,
> since they are clearly in it for the money and not
> for public enjoyment. They need to buy the engine
> from the City since it is apparently no longer for
> the public enjoyment.
>
> They have lost any support I had given them, and
> instead I will focus my charitable giving towards
> a wide number of groups that work real hard to let
> the public in, rather than keep the public out.
>
> If they want to show they are truly interested in
> the public's participation, then they need to act
> like it. They had a perfect opportunity to work
> with GWI. They could have even had a brief public
> display in downtown Tigard or Lake Oswego, even if
> it was just 30 minutes. Nope. All wasted. Throw
> in the outrageous cost of the Bend
> excursion...guess railfanning is now only a hobby
> for the rich, just like what model railroading has
> become.
You clearly have no idea of what it takes to keep an engine like 4449 viable. G&W has hundreds of miles of track in the NW, and has had a no steam policy for almost a decade. G&W approached the '49 group about this and wanted it kept under wraps. It was a tremendous opportunity to show G&W upper management the professionalism of the '49 crew and the benefits of allowing steam to run on their lines. It could open up a world of possibilities not only for 4449 but other engines. So how stupid of them would it have been to say "no, we won't run this charter for you because some crybabies will whine about not gettinga heads up, and we want to do it how WE want"? G&W would most likely never give a steam group the time of day again, and you'd have them risk that opportunity just so you could come snap a few pictures? That's just infantile and moronic and nobody who ACTUALLY supports them would think that.
And as for your comment about acting like they want public interest, they put the word out and 5,000+ people came down to ORHC for train day. Did you miss that or were you too busy whining about something else?
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> HUTCH 7.62 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Money Talks.
>
> And as a result, the 4449 group can pay for THEIR
> own engine themselves; plus buy the engine from
> the good residents of the City of Portland that
> preserved it from the Southern Pacific, plus repay
> the City of Portland loan immediately for the
> construction of ORHF.
>
> To run a large steam locomotive as one's personal
> play toy while simultaneously giving a huge middle
> finger to the railfan community and the public is
> an insult to those who have donated or contributed
> to the engine in the past. If "money talks", then
> the 4449 needs to stop begging the public for
> money and go after corporate sponsors like GWI.
> They need to rescind their non-profit status,
> since they are clearly in it for the money and not
> for public enjoyment. They need to buy the engine
> from the City since it is apparently no longer for
> the public enjoyment.
>
> They have lost any support I had given them, and
> instead I will focus my charitable giving towards
> a wide number of groups that work real hard to let
> the public in, rather than keep the public out.
>
> If they want to show they are truly interested in
> the public's participation, then they need to act
> like it. They had a perfect opportunity to work
> with GWI. They could have even had a brief public
> display in downtown Tigard or Lake Oswego, even if
> it was just 30 minutes. Nope. All wasted. Throw
> in the outrageous cost of the Bend
> excursion...guess railfanning is now only a hobby
> for the rich, just like what model railroading has
> become.
You clearly have no idea of what it takes to keep an engine like 4449 viable. G&W has hundreds of miles of track in the NW, and has had a no steam policy for almost a decade. G&W approached the '49 group about this and wanted it kept under wraps. It was a tremendous opportunity to show G&W upper management the professionalism of the '49 crew and the benefits of allowing steam to run on their lines. It could open up a world of possibilities not only for 4449 but other engines. So how stupid of them would it have been to say "no, we won't run this charter for you because some crybabies will whine about not gettinga heads up, and we want to do it how WE want"? G&W would most likely never give a steam group the time of day again, and you'd have them risk that opportunity just so you could come snap a few pictures? That's just infantile and moronic and nobody who ACTUALLY supports them would think that.
And as for your comment about acting like they want public interest, they put the word out and 5,000+ people came down to ORHC for train day. Did you miss that or were you too busy whining about something else?
