Re: Desert Water Lake Broadwell
Author: mook
Date: 09-28-2014 - 21:55

No matter how you plan to go from SF to LA, you have to cross many faults, with the guarantee that if what you build lasts long enough to maybe pay off the capital cost (say, 50-100 years) you will have to survive and recover from a major earthquake. Bay Area segments have to deal with bay mud/deep alluvium and the Hayward-Calaveras system, which is a more likely source of problems than S.A. in the near term. If you go down I-5 you have to deal with both ground subsidence due to groundwater depletion (has caused problems with CA Aqueduct over the years) and thrust faults along the southern (especially) Coast Range front (Coalinga, Kettleman, Buttonwillow areas for instance). SJV in general has very deep alluvium that can react in interesting ways to even fairly distant large earthquakes. No matter how you go over or through the Tehachapis, you have to deal with the White Wolf system and active folds (like Wheeler Ridge, San Andreas (Gorman area for straight shot, Palmdale area otherwise), and Garlock system (mostly just on the Palmdale route). The San Fernando Valley & LA area in general is of course not immune to strong shaking and occasional ground rupture from local faults (cf. Northridge, Sylmar, Whittier, Long Beach, etc etc).

There have been several articles pointing out that the Kern Canyon fault is anything but dead. The Corps is considering that in studies for strengthening the dam; K.C. fault barely misses the main dam at Isabella, but close enough. Several other papers theorize on micro (and sometimes not so micro) earthquake alignments suggesting that the White Wolf is evolving into a Garlock replacement. Fun stuff. Great place to put a major public works project that has to be practically unconditionally safe (given modern legal environments). It's an engineering problem, and expensive, and not guaranteed in any way to avoid damage.

HSR trains will operate at the speed of a prop airliner, or a jet on approach or departure, and with the passenger load of a 747 or A380. And no seat belts? Engineering is critical (and expensive) to make sure that everything works right not only in ordinary operations but in emergencies. Granted, a train may not fall out of the sky (but what if a bridge breaks?), but bad things can happen anyway that need to be designed around. The speeds being discussed for typical HSR equipment and loads hold a lot of energy. The design will happen, but some things done in planning can help make the design easier and more effective; relaxing the time standard would help, but won't happen.



Subject Written By Date/Time (PST)
  4 miles of 3.5% at Tehachapi can be repurposed? synonymouse 09-28-2014 - 11:23
  Re: 4 miles of 3.5% at Tehachapi can be repurposed? Just Don't Do It 09-28-2014 - 12:00
  Re: 4 miles of 3.5% at Tehachapi can be repurposed? Rich Hunn 09-28-2014 - 12:11
  Re: 4 miles of 3.5% at Tehachapi can be repurposed? A.S.C. 09-28-2014 - 13:26
  Re: 4 miles of 3.5% at Tehachapi can be repurposed? mook 09-28-2014 - 14:38
  Re: Desert Water Lake Broadwell Ed Workman 09-28-2014 - 15:31
  Re: Desert Water Lake Broadwell Rich Hunn 09-28-2014 - 17:31
  Tehachapi Sgt. Joe Friday 09-28-2014 - 19:19
  Re: Desert Water Lake Broadwell TomL 09-28-2014 - 19:23
  Re: Desert Water Lake Broadwell mook 09-28-2014 - 21:55
  Re: Desert Water Lake Broadwell Max Wyss 09-29-2014 - 01:53
  Here is what they should do $$$$ 09-29-2014 - 09:08
  Re: Here is what they should do mook 09-29-2014 - 09:41
  Bay Bridge, CHSR Rusty Bolts 09-28-2014 - 20:17
  Re: CHSRA-Can't Do Mentality? BOB2 09-29-2014 - 08:56
  Re: CHSRA-Can't Do Mentality? mook 09-29-2014 - 09:36
  Re: CHSRA-Can't Do Mentality? synonymouse 09-29-2014 - 09:38
  Re: CHSRA-Can't Do Mentality? Ed Workman 09-29-2014 - 09:44
  Re: CHSRA-Can't Do Mentality? mook 09-29-2014 - 09:59
  Re: CHSRA-Can't Do Mentality? synonymouse 09-29-2014 - 11:23
  Re: CHSRA-Can't Do Mentality? david vartanoff 09-29-2014 - 11:48
  Re: CHSRA-Can't Do Mentality? BOB2 09-29-2014 - 14:58
  Re: CHSRA-Can't Do Mentality? Anonymoose 09-29-2014 - 15:42
  Re: CHSRA-Can't Do Mentality? John McCain 09-29-2014 - 16:42
  Re: CHSRA-Can't Do Mentality? Margaret (SP fan) 09-30-2014 - 00:48
  Re: CHSRA-Can't Do Mentality? Max Wyss 09-30-2014 - 05:29
  Re: CHSRA- Nimby Nonsense Mentality? BOB2 09-30-2014 - 08:15
  Re: CHSRA- Nimby Nonsense Mentality? Max Wyss 09-30-2014 - 10:30
  Re: CHSRA-Can't Do Mentality? mook 09-30-2014 - 08:55
  Re: CHSRA-Can't Do Mentality? BOB2 09-30-2014 - 09:25
  Re: CHSRA-Can't Do Mentality? mook 09-30-2014 - 09:21
  Re: CHSRA-Can't Do Mentality? synonymouse 09-30-2014 - 11:03
  Re: CHSRA-Can't Do Mentality? BOB2 09-30-2014 - 11:56
  Re: CHSRA-Can't Do Mentality? Rich Hunn 09-30-2014 - 12:25
  Re: CHSRA-Can't Do Mentality? synonymouse 09-30-2014 - 13:52
  Re: CHSRA-Can't Do Mentality? synonymouse 09-30-2014 - 13:42


Go to: Message ListSearch
Subject: 
Your Name: 
Spam prevention:
Please, enter the code that you see below in the input field. This is for blocking bots that try to post this form automatically.
       **  **      **  ********   **     **  ******** 
       **  **  **  **  **     **  ***   ***  **       
       **  **  **  **  **     **  **** ****  **       
       **  **  **  **  **     **  ** *** **  ******   
 **    **  **  **  **  **     **  **     **  **       
 **    **  **  **  **  **     **  **     **  **       
  ******    ***  ***   ********   **     **  ******** 
This message board is maintained by:Altamont Press
You can send us an email at altamontpress1@gmail.com