Re: Breaking News Amtrak train crash in Philly
Author: SP5103
Date: 05-13-2015 - 08:26

If the cause was excessive speed - then why didn't the speed control system slow it down? Alertors by themselves don't prevent an engineer from doing something wrong, and don't always keep you awake.

A couple observations based on the TV coverage - How did the engine stay upright and substantially intact? What might have been the head passenger car basically disintegrated, and if I saw right the cars is actually twisted 180 degrees as the trucks appear to be on opposite sides of the wrecked car. One of the disadvantages of overhead cantenary is the car apparently tangled with the cantenary support structure which may explain in part how the car has so much damage. I'm thinking this was a high speed wreck exceeding the claimed 50 mph limit.

The news and witnesses continue to show the general ignorance of modern railroading. I've heard black boxes at each end of the train, can't differentiate between the engineer and conductor and cars made out of aluminum. They are obsessing over the need for seatbelts and flying luggage, and are claiming the train cars were torn apart - yet all but one car seems to be substantially intact and the survivability supports that.

Don't forget that I believe it was probably engineer only in the cab, and passenger trains are expected to operate on the edge as far as acceleration and deceleration. One could debate if the tightlock couplers were a hindrance or a help - do you try to keep the train intact and drag other cars over, or do you have the couplers disengage and let each car absorb its own energy with the chance of telescoping?



Subject Written By Date/Time (PST)
  Breaking News Amtrak train crash in Philly HUTCH 7.62 05-12-2015 - 18:59
  Re: Breaking News Amtrak train crash in Philly Jon 05-12-2015 - 19:07
  Re: Breaking News Amtrak train crash in Philly James Bradley 05-12-2015 - 20:43
  Re: Breaking News Amtrak train crash in Philly mook 05-12-2015 - 21:55
  Re: Breaking News Amtrak train crash in Philly SP5103 05-12-2015 - 22:16
  Re: Breaking News Amtrak train crash in Philly Oh Boy.. 05-12-2015 - 22:28
  Re: Breaking News Amtrak train crash in Philly Oh Boy.. 05-12-2015 - 22:34
  Re: Breaking News Amtrak train crash in Philly mook 05-12-2015 - 23:26
  Re: Breaking News Amtrak train crash in Philly Tom McCann 05-12-2015 - 23:25
  Re: Breaking News Amtrak train crash in Philly DCA 05-12-2015 - 22:57
  Re: Breaking News Amtrak train crash in Philly Tom McCann 05-12-2015 - 23:45
  Re: Breaking News Amtrak train crash in Philly James Bradley, Jr. 05-13-2015 - 01:25
  Re: Breaking News Amtrak train crash in Philly Chris Walker 05-13-2015 - 03:21
  Re: Breaking News Amtrak train crash in Philly J 05-13-2015 - 03:51
  Re: Breaking News Amtrak train crash in Philly SP5103 05-13-2015 - 08:26
  Re: Breaking News Amtrak train crash in Philly BOB2 05-13-2015 - 09:32
  Re: Breaking News Amtrak train crash in Philly OT Local 05-13-2015 - 09:32
  Re: Breaking News Amtrak train crash in Philly Espee99 05-13-2015 - 09:50
  Re: Breaking News Amtrak train crash in Philly DCA 05-13-2015 - 10:04
  Amtrak train crash in Philly - some observations mook 05-13-2015 - 12:14
  Re: Breaking News Amtrak train crash in Philly Jim Fitzgerald 05-13-2015 - 14:10
  Re: Breaking News Amtrak train crash in Philly P. Kepler 05-13-2015 - 10:37
  Re: Breaking News Amtrak train crash in Philly AZebra 05-13-2015 - 16:47
  Re: Breaking News Amtrak train crash in Philly HollySugarSW1 05-13-2015 - 17:06
  Re: Breaking News Amtrak train crash in Philly Kcjones 05-13-2015 - 20:29
  Train appears to have been traveling at more than 100 miles an hour Howard 05-13-2015 - 10:47
  Re: Train appears to have been traveling at more than 100 miles an hour P. Kepler 05-13-2015 - 13:50
  Re: Train appears to have been traveling at more than 100 miles an hour Howard 05-13-2015 - 14:05
  Re: Train appears to have been traveling at more than 100 miles an hour Dr Zarkoff 05-13-2015 - 14:20
  A "sharp curve" - really? Richard 05-13-2015 - 14:05
  Re: A "sharp curve" - really? Ed Workman 05-13-2015 - 14:20
  Re: A "sharp curve" - really? Tom McCann 05-13-2015 - 14:48
  Re: A "sharp curve" - really? Richard 05-13-2015 - 14:55
  Re: A "sharp curve" - really? P.Kepler 05-13-2015 - 14:57
  Re: A "sharp curve" - really? Richard 05-13-2015 - 16:22
  Re: A "sharp curve" - really? P.Kepler 05-13-2015 - 16:54
  Re: A "really sharp curve" - really Ed Workman 05-13-2015 - 17:06
  Re: A "really sharp curve" - really P. Kepler 05-13-2015 - 20:04
  NBC link Richard 05-14-2015 - 06:46
  Re: Train appears to have been traveling at more than 100 miles an hour mook 05-13-2015 - 22:33
  Re: Train appears to have been traveling at more than 100 miles an hour OPRRMS 05-13-2015 - 23:03
  Re: Train appears to have been traveling at more than 100 miles an hour Edward 05-14-2015 - 00:18
  Re: Train appears to have been traveling at more than 100 miles an hour Espee99 05-14-2015 - 14:43
  Re: Train appears to have been traveling at more than 100 miles an hour mook 05-14-2015 - 16:15
  Re: Breaking News Amtrak train crash in Philly James Bradley, Jr. 05-14-2015 - 00:17
  Re: Breaking News Amtrak train crash in Philly James Bradley, Jr. 05-14-2015 - 00:20
  Re: Breaking News Amtrak train crash in Philly KRK 05-14-2015 - 06:57
  Re: Breaking News Amtrak train crash in Philly WAF 05-14-2015 - 07:40
  Re: Breaking News Amtrak train crash in Philly Wondering 05-14-2015 - 07:56
  Re: Breaking News Amtrak train crash in Philly Tom McCann 05-14-2015 - 08:24
  Re: Amtrak train crash in Philly SP5103 05-14-2015 - 09:37
  Re: Amtrak train crash in Philly OT Local 05-14-2015 - 09:54
  Re: Amtrak train crash in Philly (correction) SP5103 05-14-2015 - 09:58
  Re: Amtrak train crash in Philly Ed Workman 05-14-2015 - 19:31
  Re: Amtrak train crash in Philly Dr Zarkoff 05-14-2015 - 21:04
  Re: Breaking News Amtrak train crash in Philly Dr Zarkoff 05-14-2015 - 10:33
  Re: Not just politicians and media, plenty of DF's on here, too? BOB2 05-14-2015 - 11:49
  Jurisdiction EFK 05-14-2015 - 14:19
  Re: Jurisdiction Espee99 05-14-2015 - 14:49
  Re: Jurisdiction Dr Zarkoff 05-14-2015 - 21:07
  Re: Jurisdiction EFK 05-15-2015 - 00:26
  Re: Breaking News Amtrak train crash in Philly theconductor 05-14-2015 - 15:30
  Re: Breaking News Amtrak train crash in Philly Ed Workman 05-14-2015 - 19:41
  Re: Breaking News Amtrak train crash in Philly mook 05-14-2015 - 20:27
  Re: Breaking News Amtrak train crash in Philly Dr Zarkoff 05-14-2015 - 21:10
  Re: Breaking News Amtrak train crash in Philly Breathless 05-14-2015 - 23:09
  Re: Breaking News Amtrak train crash in Philly Dr Zarkoff 05-14-2015 - 23:25
  Re: Breaking News Amtrak train crash in Philly Edward 05-15-2015 - 00:06
  Re: Breaking News Amtrak train crash in Philly mook 05-15-2015 - 08:18
  Re: Breaking News Amtrak train crash in Philly Dr Zarkoff 05-15-2015 - 09:48
  Re: Breaking News Amtrak train crash in Philly Sadly 05-14-2015 - 12:39


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