Re: Amtrak train crash in Philly
Author: SP5103
Date: 05-14-2015 - 09:37

Based on available info, I don't think there is any argument that the train was going too fast to safely traverse the curve. The reason it was going too fast is still undetermined.

As far as the engineer, in the event he was potentially at fault then he may be subject to criminal prosecution for at least multiple charges of manslaughter. Even if he didn't have amnesia, if it was you wouldn't you use your 5th amendment rights unless you were offered immunity from prosecution or could prove it was not your fault?

The news has began to pick up that the conductor is equally responsible for the safe operation of the train and also question their actions or lack thereof. Have you ever worked a passenger train? I have, and it isn't that easy to keep track of exactly where the train is and what's going on while dealing with taking tickets and providing customer service. Remember there are plenty of passengers that will complain about you not giving them the service they demand versus if you are observing railroad operating rules.

The question of a single person in the cab has come up, and been dismissed by one of the "experts" who said a second crew member could also be a distraction rather than a double check. Wonder if the airlines know this? Crew resource management only works if there is a crew instead of just one person.

It is also being suggested that the engineer was speeding to make up time due to some slow orders. Typical passenger schedules require the engineer to operate the train at nearly 100% acceleration and deceleration, so the only way you can gain time back is to either be able to make shorter station stops or push how far you approach a speed restriction before hitting the brakes. At 106 mph you would be moving at about 155 feet per second, so assuming you needed at least a mile to slow from 100 to 50



No mention has been made if the existing signal system only provided signal enforcement as it doesn't appear to have been speed enforcement.



Subject Written By Date/Time (PST)
  Breaking News Amtrak train crash in Philly HUTCH 7.62 05-12-2015 - 18:59
  Re: Breaking News Amtrak train crash in Philly Jon 05-12-2015 - 19:07
  Re: Breaking News Amtrak train crash in Philly James Bradley 05-12-2015 - 20:43
  Re: Breaking News Amtrak train crash in Philly mook 05-12-2015 - 21:55
  Re: Breaking News Amtrak train crash in Philly SP5103 05-12-2015 - 22:16
  Re: Breaking News Amtrak train crash in Philly Oh Boy.. 05-12-2015 - 22:28
  Re: Breaking News Amtrak train crash in Philly Oh Boy.. 05-12-2015 - 22:34
  Re: Breaking News Amtrak train crash in Philly mook 05-12-2015 - 23:26
  Re: Breaking News Amtrak train crash in Philly Tom McCann 05-12-2015 - 23:25
  Re: Breaking News Amtrak train crash in Philly DCA 05-12-2015 - 22:57
  Re: Breaking News Amtrak train crash in Philly Tom McCann 05-12-2015 - 23:45
  Re: Breaking News Amtrak train crash in Philly James Bradley, Jr. 05-13-2015 - 01:25
  Re: Breaking News Amtrak train crash in Philly Chris Walker 05-13-2015 - 03:21
  Re: Breaking News Amtrak train crash in Philly J 05-13-2015 - 03:51
  Re: Breaking News Amtrak train crash in Philly SP5103 05-13-2015 - 08:26
  Re: Breaking News Amtrak train crash in Philly BOB2 05-13-2015 - 09:32
  Re: Breaking News Amtrak train crash in Philly OT Local 05-13-2015 - 09:32
  Re: Breaking News Amtrak train crash in Philly Espee99 05-13-2015 - 09:50
  Re: Breaking News Amtrak train crash in Philly DCA 05-13-2015 - 10:04
  Amtrak train crash in Philly - some observations mook 05-13-2015 - 12:14
  Re: Breaking News Amtrak train crash in Philly Jim Fitzgerald 05-13-2015 - 14:10
  Re: Breaking News Amtrak train crash in Philly P. Kepler 05-13-2015 - 10:37
  Re: Breaking News Amtrak train crash in Philly AZebra 05-13-2015 - 16:47
  Re: Breaking News Amtrak train crash in Philly HollySugarSW1 05-13-2015 - 17:06
  Re: Breaking News Amtrak train crash in Philly Kcjones 05-13-2015 - 20:29
  Train appears to have been traveling at more than 100 miles an hour Howard 05-13-2015 - 10:47
  Re: Train appears to have been traveling at more than 100 miles an hour P. Kepler 05-13-2015 - 13:50
  Re: Train appears to have been traveling at more than 100 miles an hour Howard 05-13-2015 - 14:05
  Re: Train appears to have been traveling at more than 100 miles an hour Dr Zarkoff 05-13-2015 - 14:20
  A "sharp curve" - really? Richard 05-13-2015 - 14:05
  Re: A "sharp curve" - really? Ed Workman 05-13-2015 - 14:20
  Re: A "sharp curve" - really? Tom McCann 05-13-2015 - 14:48
  Re: A "sharp curve" - really? Richard 05-13-2015 - 14:55
  Re: A "sharp curve" - really? P.Kepler 05-13-2015 - 14:57
  Re: A "sharp curve" - really? Richard 05-13-2015 - 16:22
  Re: A "sharp curve" - really? P.Kepler 05-13-2015 - 16:54
  Re: A "really sharp curve" - really Ed Workman 05-13-2015 - 17:06
  Re: A "really sharp curve" - really P. Kepler 05-13-2015 - 20:04
  NBC link Richard 05-14-2015 - 06:46
  Re: Train appears to have been traveling at more than 100 miles an hour mook 05-13-2015 - 22:33
  Re: Train appears to have been traveling at more than 100 miles an hour OPRRMS 05-13-2015 - 23:03
  Re: Train appears to have been traveling at more than 100 miles an hour Edward 05-14-2015 - 00:18
  Re: Train appears to have been traveling at more than 100 miles an hour Espee99 05-14-2015 - 14:43
  Re: Train appears to have been traveling at more than 100 miles an hour mook 05-14-2015 - 16:15
  Re: Breaking News Amtrak train crash in Philly James Bradley, Jr. 05-14-2015 - 00:17
  Re: Breaking News Amtrak train crash in Philly James Bradley, Jr. 05-14-2015 - 00:20
  Re: Breaking News Amtrak train crash in Philly KRK 05-14-2015 - 06:57
  Re: Breaking News Amtrak train crash in Philly WAF 05-14-2015 - 07:40
  Re: Breaking News Amtrak train crash in Philly Wondering 05-14-2015 - 07:56
  Re: Breaking News Amtrak train crash in Philly Tom McCann 05-14-2015 - 08:24
  Re: Amtrak train crash in Philly SP5103 05-14-2015 - 09:37
  Re: Amtrak train crash in Philly OT Local 05-14-2015 - 09:54
  Re: Amtrak train crash in Philly (correction) SP5103 05-14-2015 - 09:58
  Re: Amtrak train crash in Philly Ed Workman 05-14-2015 - 19:31
  Re: Amtrak train crash in Philly Dr Zarkoff 05-14-2015 - 21:04
  Re: Breaking News Amtrak train crash in Philly Dr Zarkoff 05-14-2015 - 10:33
  Re: Not just politicians and media, plenty of DF's on here, too? BOB2 05-14-2015 - 11:49
  Jurisdiction EFK 05-14-2015 - 14:19
  Re: Jurisdiction Espee99 05-14-2015 - 14:49
  Re: Jurisdiction Dr Zarkoff 05-14-2015 - 21:07
  Re: Jurisdiction EFK 05-15-2015 - 00:26
  Re: Breaking News Amtrak train crash in Philly theconductor 05-14-2015 - 15:30
  Re: Breaking News Amtrak train crash in Philly Ed Workman 05-14-2015 - 19:41
  Re: Breaking News Amtrak train crash in Philly mook 05-14-2015 - 20:27
  Re: Breaking News Amtrak train crash in Philly Dr Zarkoff 05-14-2015 - 21:10
  Re: Breaking News Amtrak train crash in Philly Breathless 05-14-2015 - 23:09
  Re: Breaking News Amtrak train crash in Philly Dr Zarkoff 05-14-2015 - 23:25
  Re: Breaking News Amtrak train crash in Philly Edward 05-15-2015 - 00:06
  Re: Breaking News Amtrak train crash in Philly mook 05-15-2015 - 08:18
  Re: Breaking News Amtrak train crash in Philly Dr Zarkoff 05-15-2015 - 09:48
  Re: Breaking News Amtrak train crash in Philly Sadly 05-14-2015 - 12:39


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