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Re: Delta Fire

Author: wandering wonderer

Date: 09-05-2018 - 21:03

Since both #11 and #14 show "service disruption" at asm.transitdocs.com, they'll probably be annulled at KFalls & Sacramento respectively. That's where trains have been turned during previous disruptions. There are ways around the fire, but Amtrak buses might not want to use them; they're long, 2-lane back road runs (at 3 AM?).

Leads me to wonder: even if Amtrak wanted to detour via Feather River and Inside Gateway, and UP & BNSF were willing to allow it, they probably won't be able to do that after December with the PTC restrictions, right? Or at least they won't be able to do it with passengers aboard. Is Amtrak tight enough on West Coast equipment that they would have to send the train through the back way as a deadhead equipment move while hauling the passengers on buses? I don't think so, but I don't know so. And will the upcoming PTC hardnose approach by Amtrak eliminate things like the Tehachapi detours for the Starlight?

Anyway, definitely looks bad, and UP as well as Caltrans will have some cleanup to do after the fire moves away. Hope the medevac'd people and cut-off CHP are OK.

News Links with photos:
Redding Searchlight: [www.redding.com]
KRCR news: [krcrtv.com]
Sac Bee: [www.sacbee.com]

Caltrans traffic cameras in the fire area: [www.dot.ca.gov]

And just for kicks, it looks in the CHP CAD web site (link from Webdigger above) like as expected a semi got stuck on Scott Mountain and blocked the detour via SR3. If Amtrak wants to use buses they'll have to send them out to the east from Redding.

Quote:
Incident: 00186 Type: Traffic Hazard Location: 0 Sr3 Loc Desc: SCOTT MOUNTAIN CREEK X 3 Lat/Lon: 41.240796 -122.664162
Detail Information
8:45 PM 13 [23] 1039 KEITHS TOW 1022
8:39 PM 12 [21] [Notification] [CHP]-TOW INQ WHAT THE SEMI IS LOADED W/ and HOW MUCH IT WEIGHS [Shared]
8:14 PM 11 [17] [Rotation Request Comment] 1039 KEITHS TOW 530-243-1874
8:14 PM 10 [16] CLAYTON'S TOW ISN'T AVAILABLE
8:05 PM 9 [15] [Rotation Request Comment] 1039 CLAYTONS TOW 530-365-8995
8:05 PM 8 [14] B90-017 1021 OFC HAVE GRAVES UNIT TO START / 1039 175 - GRAVES NOT 97 FOR 27 MIN / FIRE HELPING W/ 1184 / CT ON BOTH SIDES W/ SIGNS - 90-S2 CPZ NEG REQ FOR SUNIT AT THIS TIME
7:45 PM 7 [11] [Rotation Request Comment] 1039 ALPS ROAD RECOVERY 530-623-2481/ ENRT
7:39 PM 6 [9] 17 1185
7:17 PM 5 [8] TRI SO WILL START FIRE DEPT TO ASSIST
6:19 PM 4 [4] 1125 BOTH LANES / UNABLE TO MAKE TURN / UNABLE TO GO UP OR BACKWARDS
6:19 PM 3 [3] TRW GRN SEMI TK
6:19 PM 2 [2] SEMI TK W/ TRL 1125
6:18 PM 1 [1] NB 1125

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Subject	Written By	Date/Time (PST)
Delta Fire	Don Levasheff	09-05-2018 - 16:21
Re: Delta Fire	Ed Workman	09-05-2018 - 18:09
Re: Delta Fire	WebDigger	09-05-2018 - 18:51
Re: Delta Fire	wandering wonderer	09-05-2018 - 21:03
Re: Delta Fire	NWP	09-06-2018 - 00:09
Re: Delta Fire	R Ruiz	09-06-2018 - 12:23
Where's Your Just In Time Logistics Now......See?	Pdxrailtransit	09-06-2018 - 12:52
Re: Where's Your Just In Time Logistics Now......See?	James Bradley, Jr.	09-06-2018 - 13:15
Re: Where's Your Just In Time Logistics Now......See?	David Dewey	09-06-2018 - 13:42
Re: Question for David Dewey	George Andrews	09-06-2018 - 20:00
Re: Question for David Dewey	David Dewey	09-06-2018 - 22:46
Re: Question for David Dewey	Goatboat	09-07-2018 - 15:46
Re: Question for David Dewey	traffic report	09-07-2018 - 17:28
Re: Where's Your Just In Time Logistics Now......See?	a birdie told me	09-06-2018 - 15:50
Re: Delta Fire	Joelm	09-06-2018 - 13:36
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Re: Delta Fire	Windsor	09-06-2018 - 14:06
Re: Delta Fire	Commenter	09-06-2018 - 15:24
Re: Delta Fire	M. Harris	09-06-2018 - 15:59
Re: Delta Fire	Stevo del Applegato	09-06-2018 - 16:08
Re: Delta Fire	Ed Workman	09-07-2018 - 07:29
Re: Delta Fire	traffic reports	09-07-2018 - 08:49
Re: Delta Fire	DCA	09-06-2018 - 19:24
Re: Delta Fire	Ed Workman	09-07-2018 - 07:38
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wandering wonderer Wrote:
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> Since both #11 and #14 show "service disruption"
> at asm.transitdocs.com, they'll probably be
> annulled at KFalls & Sacramento respectively.
> That's where trains have been turned during
> previous disruptions. There are ways around the
> fire, but Amtrak buses might not want to use them;
> they're long, 2-lane back road runs (at 3 AM?).
> 
> Leads me to wonder: even if Amtrak wanted to
> detour via Feather River and Inside Gateway, and
> UP & BNSF were willing to allow it, they probably
> won't be able to do that after December with the
> PTC restrictions, right? Or at least they won't be
> able to do it with passengers aboard. Is Amtrak
> tight enough on West Coast equipment that they
> would have to send the train through the back way
> as a deadhead equipment move while hauling the
> passengers on buses? I don't think so, but I don't
> know so. And will the upcoming PTC hardnose
> approach by Amtrak eliminate things like the
> Tehachapi detours for the Starlight?
> 
> Anyway, definitely looks bad, and UP as well as
> Caltrans will have some cleanup to do after the
> fire moves away. Hope the medevac'd people and
> cut-off CHP are OK.
> 
> News Links with photos:
> Redding Searchlight:
> https://www.redding.com/story/news/local/2018/09/0
> 5/fire-lakehead-shuts-down-traffic-interstate-5/12
> 06417002/
> KRCR news:
> https://krcrtv.com/news/shasta-county/fire-north-o
> f-lakehead-slows-traffic-on-both-sides-of-i-5
> Sac Bee:
> https://www.sacbee.com/news/state/california/fires
> /article217886100.html
> 
> Caltrans traffic cameras in the fire area:
> http://www.dot.ca.gov/dist2/cctv/shastaco.html
> 
> And just for kicks, it looks in the CHP CAD web
> site (link from Webdigger above) like as expected
> a semi got stuck on Scott Mountain and blocked the
> detour via SR3. If Amtrak wants to use buses
> they'll have to send them out to the east from
> Redding.
> Incident:  00186   Type:    Traffic Hazard  
> Location:   0 Sr3  Loc Desc:  SCOTT MOUNTAIN CREEK
> X 3    Lat/Lon:  41.240796 -122.664162   
> Detail Information
> 8:45 PM	13	[23] 1039 KEITHS TOW 1022
> 8:39 PM	12	[21]  -TOW INQ WHAT THE SEMI IS LOADED
> W/ and HOW MUCH IT WEIGHS 
> 8:14 PM	11	[17]  1039 KEITHS TOW 530-243-1874
> 8:14 PM	10	[16] CLAYTON'S TOW ISN'T AVAILABLE
> 8:05 PM	9	[15]  1039 CLAYTONS TOW 530-365-8995
> 8:05 PM	8	[14] B90-017 1021 OFC HAVE GRAVES UNIT
> TO START / 1039 175 - GRAVES NOT 97 FOR 27 MIN /
> FIRE HELPING W/ 1184 / CT ON BOTH SIDES W/ SIGNS -
> 90-S2 CPZ NEG REQ FOR SUNIT AT THIS TIME
> 7:45 PM	7	[11]  1039 ALPS ROAD RECOVERY
> 530-623-2481/ ENRT
> 7:39 PM	6	[9] 17 1185
> 7:17 PM	5	[8] TRI SO WILL START FIRE DEPT TO
> ASSIST
> 6:19 PM	4	[4] 1125 BOTH LANES / UNABLE TO MAKE
> TURN / UNABLE TO GO UP OR BACKWARDS
> 6:19 PM	3	[3] TRW GRN SEMI TK
> 6:19 PM	2	[2] SEMI TK W/ TRL 1125
> 6:18 PM	1	[1] NB 1125

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