Re: Another Bait and switch
Author: observer
Date: 02-13-2019 - 08:48

A couple of thoughts that occured after pressing Submit...

There was and is a basic fallacy that HSR is supposed to compete with air travel between N & S California. That doesn't work. Yes, it's theoretically possible with existing HS trains and route design (not even Hyperloop) to achieve downtown-downtown express times of around 2.5-3 hours. As we've found, it's also dramatically expensive to build and operate that. Really, trains have little business competing in the "flyover" market - air travel will remain the way to go where there are no stops for 400 miles, short of a practical Hyperloop thing operating at close to sonic speeds.

Rail, however, is a much better way to go where there are people in between the downtowns that want and need to go to them. That's what trains have always done - mass transit. There are perhaps a couple of named expresses that make few or no stops, but the bread and butter is limiteds and locals. For modern travel purposes, that requires trains that can run at a decent speed - over 100mph but probably much less than 180 - and can accel/decel well enough to make station stops that are a reasonable distance apart. IOW US HSR, not European or Chinese. Closer, actually, to Japanese (which is fast but not superfast). Not every little town and suburban tract can have a stop; local transit needs to be improved (or enough parking lots provided) to let train stops be far enough apart to allow decent speeds, and provisions need to be made for some trains to skip stops. But still, regional and state-scale rail is all about the intermediate traffic - really just a step or 2 above urban transit and commuter trains. The real competition isn't airplanes: it's drivers and bus riders.



Subject Written By Date/Time (PST)
  Not Dead Yet! New Felton 02-12-2019 - 23:58
  Yes Virginia, this is about CA HSR Berg 02-13-2019 - 05:59
  Re: Yes Virginia, this is about CA HSR Berg 02-13-2019 - 06:44
  Re: Another Bait and switch Kalifornia Uber Alles! 02-13-2019 - 07:35
  Bait and switch? Or maybe just some master baiting from a racist troll? BOB2 02-13-2019 - 08:06
  Re: Bait and switch? Or maybe just some master baiting from a racist troll? tundraboomer 02-13-2019 - 08:59
  Re: Bait and switch? Or, just maybe, we've finally come to our sensesl? BOB2 02-13-2019 - 09:32
  Re: Another Bait and switch observer 02-13-2019 - 08:26
  Re: Another Bait and switch observer 02-13-2019 - 08:48
  Re: Another Bait and switch Max Wyss 02-13-2019 - 15:31
  Re: Another Bait and switch Max Wyss 02-13-2019 - 15:15
  Re: Max, let me set you straight on CA BOB2 02-13-2019 - 20:39
  Re: Another Bait and switch Dr Zarkoff 02-13-2019 - 10:33
  Re: Another Bait and switch Ed Workman 02-13-2019 - 11:38
  Re: Another Bait and switch Matt Jimenez 02-13-2019 - 12:19
  Re: Another Plan to raise gas taxes again HUTCH 7.62 02-13-2019 - 15:26
  Re: Another Plan to raise gas taxes again Dr Zarkoff 02-13-2019 - 16:51
  Re: Another Plan to raise gas taxes again Perlmann Pete 02-14-2019 - 08:56
  Re: Another Plan to raise gas taxes again Commenter 02-13-2019 - 18:22
  Re: Another Plan to raise gas taxes again Perlman Pete 02-14-2019 - 09:10
  Re: Another Plan to raise gas taxes again (Don't Panic) Commenter 02-14-2019 - 09:58
  Re: Another Plan to raise gas taxes again (Don't Panic) Espee2472 02-15-2019 - 18:28
  Re: Another Plan to raise gas taxes again (Don't Panic) Sumotuwe 02-15-2019 - 20:26
  Re: Yes Virginia, this is about CA HSR Berg 02-13-2019 - 08:58
  Re: Yes Virginia, this is about CA HSR synonymouse 02-13-2019 - 10:30
  Re: Yes Virginia, this is about CA HSR Commenter 02-13-2019 - 11:21
  Railway Age Editorial J 02-13-2019 - 12:26
  Re: Railway Age Editorial synonymouse 02-13-2019 - 14:09
  Re: Yes Virginia, this is about CA HSR #notmyGovernor 02-13-2019 - 13:55
  Re: Yes Virginia, this is about CA HSR Berg 02-13-2019 - 15:30
  Zarkoff California Taxpayer 02-13-2019 - 12:10
  Re: Zarkoff Commenter 02-13-2019 - 18:42
  Re: Zarkoff Your 3rd Grade Teacher 02-19-2019 - 23:29
  "I am not interested in sending $3.5 billion ... back to Donald Trump." WebDigger 02-13-2019 - 15:56
  Re: "I am not interested in sending $3.5 billion ... back to Donald Trump." #notmyGovernor 02-13-2019 - 15:58
  Re: "I am not interested in sending $3.5 billion ... back to Donald Trump." Berg 02-13-2019 - 16:44
  Re: Not Dead Yet but taxpayers will be California Taxpayer 02-13-2019 - 12:12
  Re: Not Dead Yet but taxpayers will be Commenter 02-16-2019 - 22:19


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