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Re: More cold water in a hot boiler
Author: Hail the 4014
Date: 05-04-2019 - 22:26
Eric Gonzales Wrote:
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> Why am I letting myself get dragged into the troll
> argument. I absolutely LOVE reading armchair
> boiler operators spout off about all their
> supposed knowledge of what's working and what
> isn't.
>
> For those that didn't read a previous post of
> mine, I am not affiliated with UP in any way shape
> or form. I am not even out on the chase, even
> though I would absolutely love to be. Right now,
> I'm at work in Elkhorn Nebraska. My work is as a
> stationary engineer. I'm sure all you trolls know
> exactly what that is, but for those who might have
> just an ounce of humility, let me explain it to
> you... I am a licensed boiler operator. I oversee
> 7 boilers on my shift each night. The license
> that I hold is the 2nd most difficult boiler
> license to obtain in the country, behind New York
> City. In addition, I also work with the steam
> trains at the Omaha Henry Doorly Zoo. These
> trains are not toys, but actual working engines.
>
> For all you "experts" what are you using to
> determine whether a locomotive is "working" or
> not? Is it all that pretty smoke that comes out
> of the stack? Go back and read a basic boiler
> operations book. All that smoke means is that
> there is incomplete combustion. Yes, that's
> right, means the fireman isn't doing his job quite
> right. If you're trying to compare pictures from
> when all 25 big boys were in service to now,
> don't. Stop right there. As you know, those
> engines burned coal. While possible, it is harder
> for the fireman to balance his fire perfectly for
> complete combustion (What's that? look it up in a
> boiler operations book) as the coal takes longer
> to burn. Oil on the other hand is much cleaner,
> and easier to make fine tuned adjustments. What
> does the 4014 burn now? Oil.
>
> Are you griping because that diesel sounds like
> it's working hard? Suck it up buttercups. Its
> not unusual to throttle back a steam engine and
> let the diesel do the bulk of the work to save on
> fuel, and especially water. Yes, as much as I'm
> sure all you drooling "experts" probably hate to
> admit it, even the 844 and the 3985 would
> sometimes back off the throttle and let the diesel
> do the work. And UP is not alone on this. the
> 4449, 3751, 261, and others have also done the
> same thing, for the same reason. You think
> obtaining water is a simple thing? Obtaining
> water isn't as simple as just pulling up to a fire
> hydrant, not for the long term health of a boiler.
> EVERY boiler needs to have the water treated for
> softness, the right alkalinity amounts, sulfates,
> etc. If they can save water, they will.
>
> Now, my challenge from an earlier post remains the
> same. For all you "expert" haters out there, why
> don't you quite hiding behind an anonymous handle,
> and actually identify yourself, and exactly what
> your grievance is with the program. I've yet to
> see any credibility from any one of you lousy
> complainers who make the rest of us want to bang
> our heads on the wall. Or, are you too much of a
> "professional" or too much of an "expert" to be
> able to do that and share your knowledge with the
> rest of us, if you have "knowledge" worth sharing?
> Until you have the balls to do so, if all you
> want to do is complain, please, go write in your
> own diary so the rest of us don't have to deal
> with your baggage. Sorry, your baggage missed
> that train.
Ok. This should have been a double header doing 60mph down the mainline with the 844 working as well with all the hype that came along with this project. (That's what this was billed to be). They only had 5 years to get this done. This is what happens when you do a break in run on the very first trip. Other groups have done it in less time with a locomotive that was in worse shape then the 4014. Believe you and me The Dear Leader has talked a lot of trash about other groups and reputable people in the steam community over the years. Being as great as he thinks he is this should have gone off a lot better. The 4014 has been boiling water all day and that's it for the most part. A lot of us have our reasons for not identifying ourselves but it doesn't make anyone less creditable.
AHT
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> Why am I letting myself get dragged into the troll
> argument. I absolutely LOVE reading armchair
> boiler operators spout off about all their
> supposed knowledge of what's working and what
> isn't.
>
> For those that didn't read a previous post of
> mine, I am not affiliated with UP in any way shape
> or form. I am not even out on the chase, even
> though I would absolutely love to be. Right now,
> I'm at work in Elkhorn Nebraska. My work is as a
> stationary engineer. I'm sure all you trolls know
> exactly what that is, but for those who might have
> just an ounce of humility, let me explain it to
> you... I am a licensed boiler operator. I oversee
> 7 boilers on my shift each night. The license
> that I hold is the 2nd most difficult boiler
> license to obtain in the country, behind New York
> City. In addition, I also work with the steam
> trains at the Omaha Henry Doorly Zoo. These
> trains are not toys, but actual working engines.
>
> For all you "experts" what are you using to
> determine whether a locomotive is "working" or
> not? Is it all that pretty smoke that comes out
> of the stack? Go back and read a basic boiler
> operations book. All that smoke means is that
> there is incomplete combustion. Yes, that's
> right, means the fireman isn't doing his job quite
> right. If you're trying to compare pictures from
> when all 25 big boys were in service to now,
> don't. Stop right there. As you know, those
> engines burned coal. While possible, it is harder
> for the fireman to balance his fire perfectly for
> complete combustion (What's that? look it up in a
> boiler operations book) as the coal takes longer
> to burn. Oil on the other hand is much cleaner,
> and easier to make fine tuned adjustments. What
> does the 4014 burn now? Oil.
>
> Are you griping because that diesel sounds like
> it's working hard? Suck it up buttercups. Its
> not unusual to throttle back a steam engine and
> let the diesel do the bulk of the work to save on
> fuel, and especially water. Yes, as much as I'm
> sure all you drooling "experts" probably hate to
> admit it, even the 844 and the 3985 would
> sometimes back off the throttle and let the diesel
> do the work. And UP is not alone on this. the
> 4449, 3751, 261, and others have also done the
> same thing, for the same reason. You think
> obtaining water is a simple thing? Obtaining
> water isn't as simple as just pulling up to a fire
> hydrant, not for the long term health of a boiler.
> EVERY boiler needs to have the water treated for
> softness, the right alkalinity amounts, sulfates,
> etc. If they can save water, they will.
>
> Now, my challenge from an earlier post remains the
> same. For all you "expert" haters out there, why
> don't you quite hiding behind an anonymous handle,
> and actually identify yourself, and exactly what
> your grievance is with the program. I've yet to
> see any credibility from any one of you lousy
> complainers who make the rest of us want to bang
> our heads on the wall. Or, are you too much of a
> "professional" or too much of an "expert" to be
> able to do that and share your knowledge with the
> rest of us, if you have "knowledge" worth sharing?
> Until you have the balls to do so, if all you
> want to do is complain, please, go write in your
> own diary so the rest of us don't have to deal
> with your baggage. Sorry, your baggage missed
> that train.
Ok. This should have been a double header doing 60mph down the mainline with the 844 working as well with all the hype that came along with this project. (That's what this was billed to be). They only had 5 years to get this done. This is what happens when you do a break in run on the very first trip. Other groups have done it in less time with a locomotive that was in worse shape then the 4014. Believe you and me The Dear Leader has talked a lot of trash about other groups and reputable people in the steam community over the years. Being as great as he thinks he is this should have gone off a lot better. The 4014 has been boiling water all day and that's it for the most part. A lot of us have our reasons for not identifying ourselves but it doesn't make anyone less creditable.
AHT
