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Re: METRO connecting to OCTA BOB2? Well...It's not a gauge width inferiority complex....
Author: Joe Cullum
Date: 06-02-2019 - 22:31
Thanks Bob! Why incompatible?
Certainly note because of gauge... No pun in risk of triggering the mouse man.
Joe Cullum in Exeter ca
BOB2 Wrote:
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> Back when folks started looking at the West Santa
> Ana Branch as a potential "rail" or other "fixed
> guideway" transit corridor, around 2009-2010 there
> were a number of listening sessions, that included
> meetings in OC cities. I attended a few of these,
> while doing some work for one of the consultants
> on that project.
>
> At a meeting in one OC communtiy, an "eighty
> something" (now gone) Mayor of one OC City made
> some truly "cringeworthy" "Nimby" comments on the
> races that would use LRT, while thirty kids,
> mostly representing the mostly Asian American
> local City itself, from the local junior college
> showed up, and wanted LRT.
>
> Maglev Bruce from Cerritos, wanted a system that
> would not stop at "those" communities (only his,
> of course) because that would slow down the Maglev
> trip from LA to Anaheim and Santa Ana).
>
> The south Orange County WSAB cities preferred a
> cute "trolley", or a cheap (but largely useless
> segment of) busway.
>
> And, the rest of the cities in the LA County
> portion of the WSAB/UP alignment wanted LRT, which
> is in the MTA's current plan.
>
> Eventually, MagLev Bruce (who once on a MagLev
> junket overseas was witnessed trying to convince
> the Chinese that he was "the big cheese" with the
> LA "MagLev" project they should deal with...), who
> was opposed to anything but his MagLev "vision",
> managed to get Cerritos omitted from LRT line
> planning, instead of connecting to two stations,
> beyond the I-605 in Cerritos.
>
> The consultants looking at the corridor, back
> then, did some travel demand modeling for LRT that
> showed the LA to I-605 WASB/UP alignment would
> carry nearly 90,000 daily riders. They also
> modeled it all of the way to Santa Ana, which
> could generate as many as (IIRC) somewhere near
> 130,000 daily riders. But, the OC "only" WSAB LRT
> segment, was modeled as a stand alone, only
> managed to produced somewhere between 13,000 and
> 25,000 daily trips (well less than what OC would
> contribute with an LA County connections).
>
> So, of course, with politics being "tribal" and
> "territorial", and not necessarily logical,
> rational, or efficient, OC and LA politicians
> chose to serve "only" the voters to which they
> were elected by. And today, we have two separate,
> disconnected, and likely incompatible, rail
> transit projects at both ends of the WASB
> corridor.
Certainly note because of gauge... No pun in risk of triggering the mouse man.
Joe Cullum in Exeter ca
BOB2 Wrote:
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> Back when folks started looking at the West Santa
> Ana Branch as a potential "rail" or other "fixed
> guideway" transit corridor, around 2009-2010 there
> were a number of listening sessions, that included
> meetings in OC cities. I attended a few of these,
> while doing some work for one of the consultants
> on that project.
>
> At a meeting in one OC communtiy, an "eighty
> something" (now gone) Mayor of one OC City made
> some truly "cringeworthy" "Nimby" comments on the
> races that would use LRT, while thirty kids,
> mostly representing the mostly Asian American
> local City itself, from the local junior college
> showed up, and wanted LRT.
>
> Maglev Bruce from Cerritos, wanted a system that
> would not stop at "those" communities (only his,
> of course) because that would slow down the Maglev
> trip from LA to Anaheim and Santa Ana).
>
> The south Orange County WSAB cities preferred a
> cute "trolley", or a cheap (but largely useless
> segment of) busway.
>
> And, the rest of the cities in the LA County
> portion of the WSAB/UP alignment wanted LRT, which
> is in the MTA's current plan.
>
> Eventually, MagLev Bruce (who once on a MagLev
> junket overseas was witnessed trying to convince
> the Chinese that he was "the big cheese" with the
> LA "MagLev" project they should deal with...), who
> was opposed to anything but his MagLev "vision",
> managed to get Cerritos omitted from LRT line
> planning, instead of connecting to two stations,
> beyond the I-605 in Cerritos.
>
> The consultants looking at the corridor, back
> then, did some travel demand modeling for LRT that
> showed the LA to I-605 WASB/UP alignment would
> carry nearly 90,000 daily riders. They also
> modeled it all of the way to Santa Ana, which
> could generate as many as (IIRC) somewhere near
> 130,000 daily riders. But, the OC "only" WSAB LRT
> segment, was modeled as a stand alone, only
> managed to produced somewhere between 13,000 and
> 25,000 daily trips (well less than what OC would
> contribute with an LA County connections).
>
> So, of course, with politics being "tribal" and
> "territorial", and not necessarily logical,
> rational, or efficient, OC and LA politicians
> chose to serve "only" the voters to which they
> were elected by. And today, we have two separate,
> disconnected, and likely incompatible, rail
> transit projects at both ends of the WASB
> corridor.
