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Re: SP&S F3 leaving Portland June 1970
Author: Jim700
Date: 01-19-2009 - 15:40
Ex BN Wrote:
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> The question might be did former SP&S equipment in
> SP&S paint operate in the BN pool trains between
> merger 3/70 and Amtrak 5/71? I imagine it did but
> not in such a pure SP&S train as the one shown in
> the photo.
Not until after Amtrak started IIRC. The SP&S equipment was needed for the continued regular operation of SP&S passenger trains #1, #2, #3 and #4 and mixed trains #102, #103 and #105 which became BN trains #21, #22, #23, #24, #1269, #1264 and #1268 at the time of the merger. I could very easily have been the fireman in the cab in Drew's picture as I was working SP&S passenger service in the summer of 1970. Guess it would be interesting to dig my time slips out of storage and research them to find out if it was me.
Out of Portland on the passenger assignments the firemen worked PDX-SPK every fifth day, the conductors and brakemen PDX-SPK every fourth day and the engineers PDX-PSC every third day. On the SPK-PSC route the two engineers on trains #1 and #2 (BN #21 and #22) worked 7 days per week and the two engineers on trains #3 and #4 (BN #23 and #24) worked every other day. I regularly fired for my dad between Pasco and Spokane on the SP&S section of the Empire Builder. SP&S families nearly always referred to trains #1 and #2 simply as the Streamliner rather than the Empire Builder or Empire Builder / North Coast Limited.
For some information about BN passenger trains between Merger Day and Amtrak Day see the first issue of The BN Expediter at [www.fobnr.org]. The PDF file is nearly 5MB so it will take awhile to load.
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> The question might be did former SP&S equipment in
> SP&S paint operate in the BN pool trains between
> merger 3/70 and Amtrak 5/71? I imagine it did but
> not in such a pure SP&S train as the one shown in
> the photo.
Not until after Amtrak started IIRC. The SP&S equipment was needed for the continued regular operation of SP&S passenger trains #1, #2, #3 and #4 and mixed trains #102, #103 and #105 which became BN trains #21, #22, #23, #24, #1269, #1264 and #1268 at the time of the merger. I could very easily have been the fireman in the cab in Drew's picture as I was working SP&S passenger service in the summer of 1970. Guess it would be interesting to dig my time slips out of storage and research them to find out if it was me.
Out of Portland on the passenger assignments the firemen worked PDX-SPK every fifth day, the conductors and brakemen PDX-SPK every fourth day and the engineers PDX-PSC every third day. On the SPK-PSC route the two engineers on trains #1 and #2 (BN #21 and #22) worked 7 days per week and the two engineers on trains #3 and #4 (BN #23 and #24) worked every other day. I regularly fired for my dad between Pasco and Spokane on the SP&S section of the Empire Builder. SP&S families nearly always referred to trains #1 and #2 simply as the Streamliner rather than the Empire Builder or Empire Builder / North Coast Limited.
For some information about BN passenger trains between Merger Day and Amtrak Day see the first issue of The BN Expediter at [www.fobnr.org]. The PDF file is nearly 5MB so it will take awhile to load.
