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Re: Officer deserves more training
Author: Ron
Date: 03-13-2024 - 09:01
John Thompson Wrote:
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> As a retired police officer I am horrified by that
> footage. The responding officer should never have
> fired in a confined space like that.
>
> First mistake was not asking the Amtrak crew
> member what was going on, he just immediately went
> upstairs without knowing what to expect. Never
> asked him a single question besides "where is he
> at?"
>
> Second mistake was not calling for a backup unit
> and trying to handle the guy by himself.
>
> Third mistake was failure to de-escalate after
> scaring the guy awake. That never goes well
> because the human body is in a fight or flight
> response for a time. I encountered this a lot
> dealing with homeless folks. Give them thirty
> seconds to a minute to wake up at which time you
> CALMLY explain who you are and why you're there.
>
> Fourth mistake was not asking the guy to step off
> the train so they could talk outside. Inside a
> train (or plane) is not the place to deal with a
> combative suspect.
>
> Fifth mistake was not instructing the Amtrak crew
> member and nearby passengers to get the hell out
> of the way.
>
> Sixth mistake was firing the tazer in the same
> direction as the Amtrak employee. The officer had
> a chance to reposition himself to avoid this, but
> didn't.
>
> Seventh mistake was opening fire at the suspect as
> he fought with the Amtrak employee. This is
> mind-numbingly stupid with expected consequences.
> A miracle the Amtrak employee lived.
>
> The whole idea of public safety is that you don't
> endanger innocent people and put them in a worse
> situation than they were when you arrived on
> scene. I am beside myself looking at that
> officer's incompetent negligence. I say this whole
> recognizing that the suspect very possibly
> deserved to be shot, it just should not have
> happened the way it did.
Great insight into what took place.This all happened on Christmas night. The rookie cop (two years ) probably thought a belligerent drunk needed to thrown off. No big deal. That this guy resisted, had brass knuckles and reached for the cops taser changed everything. The asst. conductor should have been instructed to move away and lock the door between cars . This would have cornered the suspect alone between the cop and exit. The video should be shown to Amtrak employees as an example of what not to do if police arrive. Any information on the deceased? Was he on drugs? Had a past criminal record? Wanted , or on parole? Yes had this been a man of color the whole nation would have been talking about it.
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> As a retired police officer I am horrified by that
> footage. The responding officer should never have
> fired in a confined space like that.
>
> First mistake was not asking the Amtrak crew
> member what was going on, he just immediately went
> upstairs without knowing what to expect. Never
> asked him a single question besides "where is he
> at?"
>
> Second mistake was not calling for a backup unit
> and trying to handle the guy by himself.
>
> Third mistake was failure to de-escalate after
> scaring the guy awake. That never goes well
> because the human body is in a fight or flight
> response for a time. I encountered this a lot
> dealing with homeless folks. Give them thirty
> seconds to a minute to wake up at which time you
> CALMLY explain who you are and why you're there.
>
> Fourth mistake was not asking the guy to step off
> the train so they could talk outside. Inside a
> train (or plane) is not the place to deal with a
> combative suspect.
>
> Fifth mistake was not instructing the Amtrak crew
> member and nearby passengers to get the hell out
> of the way.
>
> Sixth mistake was firing the tazer in the same
> direction as the Amtrak employee. The officer had
> a chance to reposition himself to avoid this, but
> didn't.
>
> Seventh mistake was opening fire at the suspect as
> he fought with the Amtrak employee. This is
> mind-numbingly stupid with expected consequences.
> A miracle the Amtrak employee lived.
>
> The whole idea of public safety is that you don't
> endanger innocent people and put them in a worse
> situation than they were when you arrived on
> scene. I am beside myself looking at that
> officer's incompetent negligence. I say this whole
> recognizing that the suspect very possibly
> deserved to be shot, it just should not have
> happened the way it did.
Great insight into what took place.This all happened on Christmas night. The rookie cop (two years ) probably thought a belligerent drunk needed to thrown off. No big deal. That this guy resisted, had brass knuckles and reached for the cops taser changed everything. The asst. conductor should have been instructed to move away and lock the door between cars . This would have cornered the suspect alone between the cop and exit. The video should be shown to Amtrak employees as an example of what not to do if police arrive. Any information on the deceased? Was he on drugs? Had a past criminal record? Wanted , or on parole? Yes had this been a man of color the whole nation would have been talking about it.
