Re: I hate GEVOs
Author: Erik H.
Date: 08-01-2013 - 20:57

ultamaterailfan Wrote:
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> But why can't they standardize with SD70ACes? EMDs
> are so much better. I would prefer SD70Ms and
> SD40s but SD70ACes are at least more interesting
> than GEVOs. I still hate UP for getting rid of the
> tunnel motors. They just don't care.

"They just don't care." Sure they do.

UP cares about having newer, more modern locomotives.

The newer locomotives meet federal emissions requirements that the SD40T-2s didn't.

The newer locomotives have more modern computer controls. More diagnostic tools. When a locomotive breaks, the locomotive can be remotely troubleshooted, and by the time the locomotive is in the shop, the mechanics already know what's wrong and what to fix. Less time in the shop, more time on the road = more money.

The newer locomotives are built with longer inspection intervals - meaning fewer trips to the shop for basic inspections.

The newer locomotives have more modern crew compartments (cabs) that are ergonomically designed - fewer injuries.

Newer locomotives simply are more reliable than locomotives built in the 1970s and 1980s. Fewer breakdowns mean happier crews, fewer mechanics, and freight moves on time and without delay. Fewer delays = fewer damage claims.

If you want to buy SD40T-2s, there are plenty on the used locomotive market. Go buy yourself a 1:1 scale model railroad and run it back and forth. Hope you won the Powerball - after you spend a couple million to find a railroad, then a million or so on a few Tunnel Motors, then you'll need spare parts, plus meeting FRA and local requirements, plus you'll have to make sure your crossing signals are in working order (not to mention paying the power bill for each one), then becoming a certified locomotive engineer...then getting your 4,400 gallon fuel tank topped off at $3/gallon, so a "fill-up" costs $13,200.

It's also no secret that Southern Pacific didn't exactly take the best of care of its locomotives. They were ragged and worn. Sure they looked pretty when they were delivered...but afterwards they were worked hard and put away wet. SP was running first generation diesels (GP9s and SD9s) long after they were banished by the other railroads, or relegated only to yard and local duty. Some of their locomotives had been rebuilt - TWICE. It's actually rather amazing that so many tunnel motors continue to soldier on for shortlines, especially given that they weren't exactly built to operate on branchlines and industrial track.

As for GE vs. EMD, it's clear that EMD rested on its laurels and thought people would just automatically buy EMD. GE continued to innovate and improve its product. I've heard EMD still demands a premium price for its product even as they have outsourced production and quality has suffered; there is little innovation in their products. GE offers a lower price, and now offers a better product. Railroads don't just throw away money because they can. Frankly - you should be pretty shocked and happy that UP has a museum, two working steam locomotives, a heritage diesel fleet, and donates quite a bit to other museums. Not to mention now a Big Boy. That's a lot more catering to the fan, than most companies do.



Subject Written By Date/Time (PST)
  I hate GEVOs ultamaterailfan 07-30-2013 - 22:25
  Re: I hate GEVOs aUPemploye 07-31-2013 - 00:57
  Re: I hate GEVOs Butler 07-31-2013 - 06:01
  Re: I hate GEVOs ultamaterailfan 07-31-2013 - 08:52
  Re: I hate GEVOs Erik H. 07-31-2013 - 07:10
  Where is Jim? railfan 07-31-2013 - 08:06
  Re: Where is Jim? HUTCH 7.62 07-31-2013 - 18:06
  Re: I hate GEVOs Shortline Sammie 07-31-2013 - 11:11
  Re: I hate GEVOs ultamaterailfan 07-31-2013 - 12:05
  Re: I hate GEVOs SeattleSubKid 07-31-2013 - 10:17
  Re: I hate GEVOs ultamaterailfan 07-31-2013 - 12:09
  Re: I hate GEVOs Ben Dover 07-31-2013 - 12:28
  Re: I hate GEVOs Up conductor 07-31-2013 - 14:27
  Re: I hate GEVOs Ben Dover 07-31-2013 - 15:04
  Re: I hate GEVOs Jasper 07-31-2013 - 14:30
  Re: I hate GEVOs HUTCH 7.62 07-31-2013 - 18:14
  Re: I hate GEVOs bastatim 07-31-2013 - 19:04
  Would you drive a 40 year-old car? Z-Train 08-01-2013 - 18:08
  Re: Would you drive a 40 year-old car? YES I DO! Old Timer 08-02-2013 - 10:05
  Re: Would you drive a 40 year-old car? YES I DO! Jasper 08-02-2013 - 11:48
  Re: Would you drive a 40 year-old car? YES I DO! BN Oly 08-02-2013 - 20:12
  40 year-old car EMP proof HUTCH 7.62 08-02-2013 - 22:16
  Re: 40 year-old car EMP proof mook 08-03-2013 - 10:17
  Re: 40 year-old car EMP proof HUTCH 7.62 08-03-2013 - 18:36
  Re: Would you drive a 40 year-old car? YES I DO! Jasper 08-03-2013 - 11:31
  Re: I hate GEVOs Erik H. 08-01-2013 - 20:57
  Re: I hate GEVOs MP 97.7 07-31-2013 - 15:22
  Re: I hate GEVOs Get Real 07-31-2013 - 18:07
  Re: I hate GEVOs bastatim 07-31-2013 - 19:07
  Re: I hate GEVOs George Andrews 07-31-2013 - 19:15
  Re: I hate GEVOs ;( 07-31-2013 - 23:05
  Re: I hate GEVOs ;( 07-31-2013 - 23:15
  Re: I hate GEVOs George Andrews 08-01-2013 - 07:58
  Other Makes J 08-01-2013 - 12:38
  Re: Other makes Butler 08-02-2013 - 04:10
  Re: Other makes ;( 08-02-2013 - 16:16
  Re: I hate GEVOs BN Oly 08-01-2013 - 18:49
  Re: I hate GEVOs E=MC2 08-02-2013 - 09:46
  Re: I hate GEVOs ultamaterailfan 08-02-2013 - 18:15
  Re: I hate GEVOs BN Oly 08-02-2013 - 20:21
  Re: I hate GEVOs P. Kepler 08-02-2013 - 23:09
  Re: I hate GEVOs E=MC2 08-03-2013 - 20:01


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