Re: That's not 25% of the Seattle Region, and it has nothing to do with the purported benefit or merits of these bus "lanes" ....
Author: FUD
Date: 07-11-2019 - 17:21

The interesting thing about all this is that there are precious few true (as in Curitiba) BRTs in the US, either existing or proposed. True BRT is a separated facility, much like light rail, but with buses rather than trains as rolling stock.

Something like the LA Orange and Silver Lines is BRT. It mostly runs on a separate right of way and has station-like bus stops, similar to light rail. A limited-stop or express bus on the street, with or without fancy "stations" for bus stops, signal preemption, and exclusive bus lanes in bottleneck spots, is not BRT. It's enhanced bus service. That might be useful, and in cases where there's no practical way to build a separate bus lane it may be all that can be done. As Bob notes, the effect on car traffic needs to be taken into account; while some effect on car traffic can often be accepted if the buses are actually helped, it's a balancing act and too much reduction of car capacity results in a political liability among other bad things.

SF has long had problems with the bus lanes on Mission Street. They help the buses, a little, but are often violated by drivers resulting in bus delays and accidents. At least, they've been there long enough that most drivers avoid Mission Street - just too much of a hassle. It'll be interesting to see what happens with Market, though, after their big new project to exclude private cars from it east of Van Ness really gets going (there's hope that the project will improve transit speeds on Market Street back into double digits).



Subject Written By Date/Time (PST)
  Apparently some Angelenos do not care for BRT synonymouse 07-11-2019 - 10:08
  Re: Those pushing lane takings for BRT can't show any benefit from it.... BOB2 07-11-2019 - 11:37
  Re: Those pushing lane takings for BRT can't show any benefit from it.... les 07-11-2019 - 12:06
  Re: Those pushing lane takings for BRT can't show any benefit from it.... synonymouse 07-11-2019 - 12:14
  Re: Those pushing lane takings for BRT can't show any benefit from it.... david vartanoff 07-11-2019 - 14:09
  Re: I'm an idiot, I know.... Stupid me, using math, instead of clicking my heels and believing I'm in Kansas..really really hard. BOB2 07-11-2019 - 15:57
  Re: Those pushing lane takings for BRT can't show any benefit from it.... les 07-11-2019 - 16:15
  Re: That's not 25% of the Seattle Region, and it has nothing to do with the purported benefit or merits of these bus "lanes" .... BOB2 07-11-2019 - 16:38
  Re: That's not 25% of the Seattle Region, and it has nothing to do with the purported benefit or merits of these bus "lanes" .... FUD 07-11-2019 - 17:21
  Re: That's not 25% of the Seattle Region, and it has nothing to do with the purported benefit or merits of these bus "lanes" .... les 07-11-2019 - 18:19
  I've done that commute once or twice, I know what the 25% is referencing les 07-11-2019 - 18:07
  Re: I've done that commute once or twice, I know what the 25% is referencing Cprr 07-12-2019 - 07:05
  Re: I've done that commute once or twice, I know what the 25% is referencing Cprr 07-12-2019 - 07:07
  Here's a study I remember that sounded similar to Bob's les 07-12-2019 - 07:36
  Re: I've done that commute once or twice, I know what the 25% is referencing FUD 07-12-2019 - 09:26
  Re:A waste of resources, and BS... And. "it's bad for you".... BOB2 07-12-2019 - 11:14
  Re: Re:A waste of resources, and BS... And. "it's bad for you".... WebDigger 07-12-2019 - 17:09


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