Re: NTSB schedules hearing on Chatsworth collision
Author: OldPoleBurner
Date: 02-13-2009 - 12:29

According to previous F.R.A. reports, False clears usually happen at a rate of about 7 incidents in 5 years. Most did not result in accidents - though they certainly could have. Also, in the five year period I last studied, every single false clear incident was the result of human interference with the controls. Human interference is usually made necessary by certain track maintenance activities or by system certification testing, neither of which had been going on in the area for some time. Moreover, if either had been going on, there would have been a work area set up requiring all trains to get clearance from a flagman before entering the work area. That too was not the case here.

The main reason that the possibility of a false clear is now being discounted, is that it has already been PROVEN NOT SO, by the proverbial black box method. Yes, the positions of every CP signal and controlling relays are continuously and directly recorded, often by more than one recording device in more than one location.

A more frequent problem than false clears, is the "phantom aspect" caused by reflections on colored lenses, usually by sunlight. These almost always appear as an imperfectly displayed signal, thus requiring a stop anyway. This was the beauty of the single lens "searchlight" signal - there were no color lenses that sunlight could reach to be reflected. But due to various reflection killing methods built into color light signals, it is still highly unlikely; though a mis-aimed or dim signal head is more prone. Signal aiming and bulb brightness are therefore among the first things the NTSB looks for. This too has already been shown to be very unlikely in this case. Phantom aspects could not be reproduced here at all, as they usually can be if it happens at all at a given site.

We are stuck with the fact that this particular engineer, either negligently or deliberately, ran the red after a station stop, after passing a solid yellow, after passing a flashing yellow. And all this occurred in a routine every day operating situation where he usually had a meet with the the same opposing train that he eventually hit at Chatsworth siding or nearby. He should therefore have been expecting an opposing train anyway. THERE IS NO DAMN EXCUSE !

What bothers me the most about this report on the NTSB hearing is that only one train control supplier has been invited to testify - and that particular vendor has already given our Senators "not exactly the whole truth". And that no other suppliers (there are several) are invited to testify; not even the supplier of the signal system at Chatsworth; nor the suppliers of Metro-Links proposed ATC upgrades. Maybe Metro-Link will bring that out themselves, instead. I wish them luck - they seem to be going against an entrenched lobby.

It does sound like a certain railroad supplier (with an actually inferior product) is trying to use the power of government to "railroad" itself into an exclusive an forced contract with the whole industry. I guess the new regime promised change. And we are going to get change - whether we want it or not - even if it means going backwards towards less safety.

All in the name of more safety.

Politicians! -- don't ya just love 'em!

OPB



Subject Written By Date/Time (PST)
  NTSB schedules hearing on Chatsworth collision OPRRMS 02-10-2009 - 15:19
  What's Interesting Is What Subject Matter WON'T Be Discussed Holly Gibson 02-11-2009 - 23:05
  Re: What's Interesting Is What Subject Matter WON'T Be Discussed J 02-12-2009 - 05:31
  Re: What's Interesting Is What Subject Matter WON'T Be Discussed OPRRMS 02-12-2009 - 09:11
  A Second Person In The Cab At Rialto? I Have My Doubts Holly Gibson 02-12-2009 - 12:34
  Re: A Second Person In The Cab At Rialto? I Have My Doubts OPRRMS 02-12-2009 - 13:18
  Q. What Is A Gaffe For A PR Spokeswoman? A. When She's Telling The Truth! Holly Gibson 02-12-2009 - 13:52
  Re: Q. What Is A Gaffe For A PR Spokeswoman? A. When She's Telling The Truth! OPRRMS 02-12-2009 - 14:48
  Re: A Second Person In The Cab At Rialto? I Have My Doubts J 02-12-2009 - 13:55
  Safety Vs. Saving Money --- Guess Which Comes Out On Top? Holly Gibson 02-12-2009 - 14:08
  Re: Safety Vs. Saving Money --- Guess Which Comes Out On Top? J 02-12-2009 - 17:38
  Safety vs. Saving Money --- The Debate Continues! Holly Gibson 02-13-2009 - 05:23
  Re: Safety vs. Saving Money --- The Debate Continues! James OPsborn 02-14-2009 - 08:18
  Re: NTSB schedules hearing on Chatsworth collision Holly Gibson 02-13-2009 - 07:35
  Safety vs Money J 02-13-2009 - 08:41
  Re: NTSB schedules hearing on Chatsworth collision OldPoleBurner 02-13-2009 - 12:29
  Re: NTSB schedules hearing on Chatsworth collision James Osborn 02-14-2009 - 07:23
  The UP Loco Had A Camera -- Why Didn't The Metrolink Loco? Holly Gibson 02-14-2009 - 08:45
  Re: The UP Loco Had A Camera -- Why Didn't The Metrolink Loco? T Judah 02-14-2009 - 12:25
  Re: The UP Loco Had A Camera -- Why Didn't The Metrolink Loco? Earl Pitts 02-14-2009 - 12:34
  If You're Gonna Preach Safety, Put Your Money Where Your Mouth Is Holly Gibson 02-14-2009 - 22:39
  Reference to BART collision OPRRMS 02-15-2009 - 01:42
  Reference to MARC / Amtrak collision OPRRMS 02-15-2009 - 02:10
  Re: Reference to MARC / Amtrak collision Holly Gibson 02-15-2009 - 02:55
  Re: Reference to MARC / Amtrak collision OPRRMS 02-15-2009 - 13:20
  Re: Reference to MARC / Amtrak collision T Judah 02-15-2009 - 18:06
  NJT Wreck Involving Lone Colorblind Engineer Holly Gibson 02-15-2009 - 18:25
  Similarities Between NJT and Metrolink Wrecks Holly Gibson 02-15-2009 - 18:58
  Re: Similarities Between NJT and Metrolink Wrecks OPRRMS 02-15-2009 - 21:49
  A Rush To Judgement? Holly Gibson 02-15-2009 - 22:38
  Re: A Rush To Judgement? OPRRMS 02-16-2009 - 00:06
  Re: A Rush To Judgement? Holly Gibson 02-17-2009 - 04:40
  Re: A Rush To Judgement? OPRRMS 02-17-2009 - 06:49
  Responding Part I Holly Gibson 02-20-2009 - 03:39
  Re: Responding Part I OPRRMS 02-20-2009 - 21:02
  Re: NJT Wreck Involving Lone Colorblind Engineer OPRRMS 02-15-2009 - 21:21
  Re: NJT Wreck Involving Lone Colorblind Engineer OldPoleBurner 02-16-2009 - 18:45
  Re: NJT Wreck Involving Lone Colorblind Engineer OPRRMS 02-16-2009 - 19:12
  Responding Part III Holly Gibson 02-20-2009 - 05:12
  Responding Part II Holly Gibson 02-20-2009 - 04:06
  Re: Responding Part II OPRRMS 02-20-2009 - 21:26
  Two Engineers Speak Out About Those Dreaded Cab Cars Holly Gibson 02-21-2009 - 13:29
  Responding To The Response Holly Gibson 02-24-2009 - 05:08
  Re: RE-RE-RE-RE-RE-RE-RE-RE-RE-RE-Response Joker 02-24-2009 - 08:04
  That Was A Test . . . Holly Gibson 02-24-2009 - 21:12
  Re: Why - were you worried not Holly 02-26-2009 - 18:26
  Curious -- NOT Worried Holly Gibson 02-27-2009 - 04:30
  Re: Curious -- NOT Worried not holly 02-28-2009 - 09:59
  Kids Say The Darndest Things! Holly Gibson 03-02-2009 - 17:26
  Re: Kids Say The Darndest Things! not Holly 03-02-2009 - 23:10
  We Have Arrived Holly Gibson 03-04-2009 - 08:23


Go to: Message ListSearch
Subject: 
Your Name: 
Spam prevention:
Please, enter the code that you see below in the input field. This is for blocking bots that try to post this form automatically.
 **      **   *******    ******   **     **  **    ** 
 **  **  **  **     **  **    **  **     **   **  **  
 **  **  **         **  **        **     **    ****   
 **  **  **   *******   **        *********     **    
 **  **  **         **  **        **     **     **    
 **  **  **  **     **  **    **  **     **     **    
  ***  ***    *******    ******   **     **     **    
This message board is maintained by:Altamont Press
You can send us an email at altamontpress1@gmail.com