A Rush To Judgement?
Author: Holly Gibson
Date: 02-15-2009 - 22:38

OPRRMS wrote:

In Chatsworth, the train received an Advance Approach, an Approach, made its station stop, then passed the Stop signal.

I still have my doubts that the signal at CP Topanga was red. It could have been a false clear. There are four witnesses, including the train's conductor, who claim that the signal was green. Besides the conductor, there was a witness who spends a lot of time at the Chatsworth station and understands how railroad signals work. He frequently directs passengers to the correct station platforms by viewing the signals and piecing together which trains will be on which tracks. You can see the signal at CP Topanga from the Chatsworth station platform. It's quite a distance, but you can see it. One of the reasons why there may have been no radio chatter between the engineer and the conductor regarding what type of signal was displayed at CP Topanga may have been because both employees looked up the track and observed a green. If the conductor observed a green signal at CP Topanga, he would have had no need to "challenge" the engineer as to what color the signal was displaying. That might explain why that conductor has since returned to work and no disciplinary action has been advanced toward him.

However, it sounds as if the NTSB is discounting the recollections of these witnesses and concluding that all four of them were "mistaken."

The Warren Commission did the same thing when they were interviewing witnesses to the JFK shooting at Dealy Plaza. All of the witnesses who claimed there were gunshots coming from locations other than the Texas School Book Depository were, in the opinion of the Warren Commission, "mistaken."

How many more witnesses would have had to take the stand with similar testimony before the Warren Commission would start to change their opinion? A dozen? Two dozen? A hundred?



Subject Written By Date/Time (PST)
  NTSB schedules hearing on Chatsworth collision OPRRMS 02-10-2009 - 15:19
  What's Interesting Is What Subject Matter WON'T Be Discussed Holly Gibson 02-11-2009 - 23:05
  Re: What's Interesting Is What Subject Matter WON'T Be Discussed J 02-12-2009 - 05:31
  Re: What's Interesting Is What Subject Matter WON'T Be Discussed OPRRMS 02-12-2009 - 09:11
  A Second Person In The Cab At Rialto? I Have My Doubts Holly Gibson 02-12-2009 - 12:34
  Re: A Second Person In The Cab At Rialto? I Have My Doubts OPRRMS 02-12-2009 - 13:18
  Q. What Is A Gaffe For A PR Spokeswoman? A. When She's Telling The Truth! Holly Gibson 02-12-2009 - 13:52
  Re: Q. What Is A Gaffe For A PR Spokeswoman? A. When She's Telling The Truth! OPRRMS 02-12-2009 - 14:48
  Re: A Second Person In The Cab At Rialto? I Have My Doubts J 02-12-2009 - 13:55
  Safety Vs. Saving Money --- Guess Which Comes Out On Top? Holly Gibson 02-12-2009 - 14:08
  Re: Safety Vs. Saving Money --- Guess Which Comes Out On Top? J 02-12-2009 - 17:38
  Safety vs. Saving Money --- The Debate Continues! Holly Gibson 02-13-2009 - 05:23
  Re: Safety vs. Saving Money --- The Debate Continues! James OPsborn 02-14-2009 - 08:18
  Re: NTSB schedules hearing on Chatsworth collision Holly Gibson 02-13-2009 - 07:35
  Safety vs Money J 02-13-2009 - 08:41
  Re: NTSB schedules hearing on Chatsworth collision OldPoleBurner 02-13-2009 - 12:29
  Re: NTSB schedules hearing on Chatsworth collision James Osborn 02-14-2009 - 07:23
  The UP Loco Had A Camera -- Why Didn't The Metrolink Loco? Holly Gibson 02-14-2009 - 08:45
  Re: The UP Loco Had A Camera -- Why Didn't The Metrolink Loco? T Judah 02-14-2009 - 12:25
  Re: The UP Loco Had A Camera -- Why Didn't The Metrolink Loco? Earl Pitts 02-14-2009 - 12:34
  If You're Gonna Preach Safety, Put Your Money Where Your Mouth Is Holly Gibson 02-14-2009 - 22:39
  Reference to BART collision OPRRMS 02-15-2009 - 01:42
  Reference to MARC / Amtrak collision OPRRMS 02-15-2009 - 02:10
  Re: Reference to MARC / Amtrak collision Holly Gibson 02-15-2009 - 02:55
  Re: Reference to MARC / Amtrak collision OPRRMS 02-15-2009 - 13:20
  Re: Reference to MARC / Amtrak collision T Judah 02-15-2009 - 18:06
  NJT Wreck Involving Lone Colorblind Engineer Holly Gibson 02-15-2009 - 18:25
  Similarities Between NJT and Metrolink Wrecks Holly Gibson 02-15-2009 - 18:58
  Re: Similarities Between NJT and Metrolink Wrecks OPRRMS 02-15-2009 - 21:49
  A Rush To Judgement? Holly Gibson 02-15-2009 - 22:38
  Re: A Rush To Judgement? OPRRMS 02-16-2009 - 00:06
  Re: A Rush To Judgement? Holly Gibson 02-17-2009 - 04:40
  Re: A Rush To Judgement? OPRRMS 02-17-2009 - 06:49
  Responding Part I Holly Gibson 02-20-2009 - 03:39
  Re: Responding Part I OPRRMS 02-20-2009 - 21:02
  Re: NJT Wreck Involving Lone Colorblind Engineer OPRRMS 02-15-2009 - 21:21
  Re: NJT Wreck Involving Lone Colorblind Engineer OldPoleBurner 02-16-2009 - 18:45
  Re: NJT Wreck Involving Lone Colorblind Engineer OPRRMS 02-16-2009 - 19:12
  Responding Part III Holly Gibson 02-20-2009 - 05:12
  Responding Part II Holly Gibson 02-20-2009 - 04:06
  Re: Responding Part II OPRRMS 02-20-2009 - 21:26
  Two Engineers Speak Out About Those Dreaded Cab Cars Holly Gibson 02-21-2009 - 13:29
  Responding To The Response Holly Gibson 02-24-2009 - 05:08
  Re: RE-RE-RE-RE-RE-RE-RE-RE-RE-RE-Response Joker 02-24-2009 - 08:04
  That Was A Test . . . Holly Gibson 02-24-2009 - 21:12
  Re: Why - were you worried not Holly 02-26-2009 - 18:26
  Curious -- NOT Worried Holly Gibson 02-27-2009 - 04:30
  Re: Curious -- NOT Worried not holly 02-28-2009 - 09:59
  Kids Say The Darndest Things! Holly Gibson 03-02-2009 - 17:26
  Re: Kids Say The Darndest Things! not Holly 03-02-2009 - 23:10
  We Have Arrived Holly Gibson 03-04-2009 - 08:23


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