Re: San Jose's Light Rail after 25 years: inefficient: land speculation did this
Author: mook
Date: 12-29-2012 - 20:21

Another consideration for location of modern light rail is where it's relatively cheap to build, which is often affected by where you can get somebody else to pay for it (e.g. VTA in the median of 85/87) and where the land is cheap (e.g. lightly- or disused freight lines). Neither of those influences, of course, has anything to do with where it might actually serve some useful transportation purpose except by accident (Sacramento worked out to some extent; VTA didn't do as well).

Similar thing in LA: MTA had the old PE line to Long Beach which operated until 1964 - converted it to the Blue Line light rail - it was a heavily used line for PE which is why it survived to the very end and it worked out the same for MTA. They've had somewhat less luck with others that used old RR r/w (Gold, Expo lines) and much less luck with the one built in the middle of the 105 freeway as a "mitigation" measure by Caltrans that LAX prevented from accessing the airport and lackamunny kept from meeting Metrolink in Norwalk (Green line). The saving grace there is that there so many people in LA that even a relatively poorly performing line still carries a lot of passengers especially with lots of bus connections -- SJ didn't and doesn't have that luxury.

Some have noted that VTA's light rail does in fact have a fair number of riders. If they're not commuters who are they? In Sac there is a base ridership that doesn't seem to have any particular destination - does VTA have that too?



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  San Jose's Light Rail after 25 years----inefficient etc Carol L. Voss 12-27-2012 - 14:10
  Re: San Jose's Light Rail after 25 years----inefficient etc Gene 12-27-2012 - 15:13
  Re: San Jose's Light Rail after 25 years----inefficient etc mook 12-27-2012 - 15:16
  Re: San Jose's Light Rail after 25 years----inefficient etc Carol L. Voss 12-27-2012 - 15:18
  Re: San Jose's Light Rail after 25 years----inefficient etc mook 12-27-2012 - 15:25
  Re: San Jose's Light Rail after 25 years----inefficient etc Brian Bergtold 12-27-2012 - 19:37
  Re: San Jose's Light Rail after 25 years----inefficient etc RG 12-28-2012 - 12:13
  Re: San Jose's Light Rail after 25 years----inefficient etc TANSTAAFL 12-28-2012 - 12:49
  Re: San Jose's Light Rail after 25 years----inefficient etc mook 12-27-2012 - 15:13
  and 25 yrs from now... yup 12-27-2012 - 15:37
  Re: and 25 yrs from now... Carol L. Voss 12-27-2012 - 15:38
  Re: and 25 yrs from now... Drew Jacksich 12-27-2012 - 16:52
  Re: and 25 yrs from now... Carol L. Voss 12-27-2012 - 17:01
  Re: Drew... Jon 12-27-2012 - 18:38
  Re: SJLR Mistertower 12-27-2012 - 19:19
  Re: Drew... Drew Jacksich 12-28-2012 - 18:08
  Extension to Loose Gaters Drew Jacksich 12-28-2012 - 18:22
  Re: Extension to Loose Gaters Carol L. Voss 12-28-2012 - 20:48
  How is Lou's? Drew Jacksich 12-28-2012 - 21:01
  Re: How is Lou's? Carol L. Voss 12-28-2012 - 21:08
  Re: Ed's Fine Foods? Jon 12-28-2012 - 21:41
  Re: Ed's Fine Foods? Carol L. Voss 12-29-2012 - 18:08
  Re: Ed's Fine Foods? Connor 05-11-2020 - 08:40
  Re: Drew... HUTCH 7.62 12-29-2012 - 10:02
  Re: and 25 yrs from now... HUTCH 7.62 12-27-2012 - 19:26
  Re: and 25 yrs from now... Carol L. Voss 12-27-2012 - 19:37
  Re: Evil Thomas Must Be Stopped? BOB2 12-27-2012 - 21:20
  Re: Evil Thomas Must Be Stopped? Carol L. Voss 12-27-2012 - 21:42
  Re: Evil Thomas Must Be Stopped? Gene 12-27-2012 - 21:53
  Re: Evil Thomas Must Be Stopped? Carol L. Voss 12-27-2012 - 22:19
  Re: and 25 yrs from now... RG 12-28-2012 - 11:50
  Re: and 25 yrs from now... yup 12-28-2012 - 13:08
  Re: and 25 yrs from now... mook 12-29-2012 - 20:01
  Re: San Jose's Light Rail after 25 years----inefficient etc DCMcGill 12-27-2012 - 22:09
  Re: San Jose's Light Rail after 25 years: inefficient: land speculation did this Margaret (SP fan) 12-28-2012 - 00:39
  Re: San Jose's Light Rail after 25 years: inefficient: land speculation did this fkrock 12-28-2012 - 09:49
  Re: San Jose's Light Rail after 25 years: inefficient: land speculation did this mook 12-29-2012 - 20:21
  Re: SMART Sucks Too=All Trains Suck? BOB2 12-28-2012 - 00:51
  Re: SMART Sucks Too=All Trains Suck? Tie Plate 12-28-2012 - 07:59
  Re: SMART Sucks Too=All Trains Suck? bastatim 12-28-2012 - 09:04
  Re: SMART Sucks Too=All Trains Suck? BOB2 12-28-2012 - 09:17
  Re: SMART Sucks Too=All Trains Suck? yup 12-28-2012 - 11:14
  Re: SMART Sucks Too=All Trains Suck? synonymouse 12-28-2012 - 11:52
  Re: San Jose's Light Rail after 25 years----inefficient etc RG 12-28-2012 - 12:02
  Re: San Jose's Light Rail after 25 years----inefficient etc DUH 12-28-2012 - 13:38
  Re: San Jose's Light Rail after 25 years----inefficient etc RG 12-28-2012 - 14:23
  Re: San Jose's Light Rail after 25 years----inefficient etc DUH 12-28-2012 - 14:49
  Re: San Jose's Light Rail after 25 years----inefficient etc MRGUY 12-28-2012 - 15:59
  Re: San Jose's Light Rail after 25 years----inefficient etc Charley On The MTA 12-29-2012 - 01:14
  Re: San Jose's Light Rail after 25 years----inefficient etc Drew Jacksich 12-29-2012 - 12:10
  Re: San Jose's Light Rail after 25 years----inefficient etc Carol L. Voss 12-29-2012 - 14:25
  Re: San Jose's Light Rail after 25 years----inefficient etc Drew Jacksich 12-29-2012 - 15:42
  Re: San Jose's Light Rail after 25 years----inefficient etc Outsider 12-29-2012 - 15:47
  Re: San Jose's Light Rail after 25 years----inefficient etc Drew Jacksich 12-29-2012 - 15:53
  Re: San Jose's Light Rail after 25 years----inefficient etc Carol L. Voss 12-29-2012 - 17:59
  Re: It all makes sense to me Jon 12-29-2012 - 19:07
  Re: San Jose's Light Rail after 25 years----inefficient etc Carol L. Voss 12-29-2012 - 17:57
  Re: San Jose's Light Rail after 25 years----inefficient etc Drew Jacksich 12-29-2012 - 18:58
  Re: San Jose's Light Rail after 25 years----inefficient etc Carol L. Voss 12-29-2012 - 19:41
  Re: San Jose's Light Rail after 25 years----inefficient etc Drew Jacksich 12-29-2012 - 19:46
  Re: San Jose's Light Rail after 25 years----inefficient etc Carol . Voss 12-29-2012 - 20:38
  Re: San Jose's Light Rail after 25 years----inefficient etc mook 12-29-2012 - 20:27
  Re: San Jose's Light Rail after 25 years----inefficient etc Carol L. Voss 12-29-2012 - 20:39
  Re: San Jose's Light Rail after 25 years----inefficient etc Michael Mahoney 12-31-2012 - 17:18
  Re: San Jose's Light Rail after 25 years----inefficient etc Drew Jacksich 01-01-2013 - 09:03
  Re: San Jose's Light Rail after 25 years----inefficient etc Dan 01-02-2013 - 17:43
  Re: San Jose's Light Rail after 25 years----inefficient etc Drew Jacksich 01-03-2013 - 13:25
  looking for amir willie 12-30-2012 - 08:58


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