Ricky Gates et al
Author: SP5103
Date: 12-04-2013 - 10:28

Clearly a can of worms. Is an engineer or train crew any more or less liable than say a commercial truck driver? If so, should an engineer or crew in passenger service or hauling haz mat be compensated for his/her added potential liability/legal exposure? That assumes of course, that the act or omission was an intentional crimunal act, not just a violation of railroad rules.

Latest news reports suggest that the Metro North had just changed shift schedules, which may have been a contributing factor. The union has been removed from participating in the investigation due to violating confidentiality, and supposedly the FRA has sent MEtro North a letter telling them to get their act together. Should a manager or company officials be held to the same standard if their actions or knowledge contributed to the incident?

I assume the railroads still have "Operation Red Block" that allows an employee to mark off or refuse a call without penalty if they would be reporting for duty in potential violation of blood alcohol standards. But, a similar program does not exist for an employee that was not sufficientl rested whether due to their own actions, simply unable to sleep or an unexpected call. It isn't unusual for a train crew member not on a scheduled assignment to be awake for more than 24 hours because the railroads can't tell you when you are going to work.

In my personal experience, I was working for a shortline when during the grain rush I went from nights to days to nights in the same week. We had been working steady with few days off. The last night I worked, the conductor woke me up. We were stalled out in front of a 5 mph slow order, and had been stopped for about 30 minutes. The same thing happened a second time that night, but I woke up before the conductor. (Obviously the engines were not equipped with alertors nor would they be required even today.) I had already scheduled several days off, but was called back to work for the next night, which I refused, and was fired as a result. So who wuld have been criminally/financially liable in the event I had gone to work and killed someone - me for not being alert? The company for the schedule or ordering me to work?

I think we need to look back at Ricky Gates who was directly responsible for the current drug testing and engineer's certification rules - Amtrak Wreck Link

Ricky did serve time, but very little and ironically served as much for lying to investigators as killing 16 people not to mention affecting the lives of many others. Ricky Gates 1993 Interview Link



Subject Written By Date/Time (PST)
  Recent derailments - speculation as to cause SP5103 12-02-2013 - 10:53
  Re: Recent derailments - speculation as to cause HUTCH 7.62 12-02-2013 - 11:09
  Re: Recent derailments - speculation as to cause Earl Pitts 12-02-2013 - 11:35
  Re: Recent derailments - speculation as to cause SP5103 12-02-2013 - 12:47
  Re: Recent derailments - speculation as to cause Craig Tambo 12-02-2013 - 12:52
  Re: Recent derailments - speculation as to cause Orris 12-02-2013 - 14:13
  Re: Recent derailments - speculation as to cause Shortline Sammie 12-02-2013 - 16:53
  Re: Recent derailments - NTSB says Metro North too fast for curve 82 MPH Graham Buxton 12-02-2013 - 18:05
  Re: Recent derailments - NTSB says Metro North too fast for curve 82 MPH OPRRMS 12-02-2013 - 18:50
  Re: Recent derailments - NTSB says Metro North too fast for curve 82 MPH mook 12-02-2013 - 21:41
  Re: Recent derailments - NTSB says Metro North too fast for curve 82 MPH SP5103 12-02-2013 - 21:54
  Re: Recent derailments - NTSB says Metro North too fast for curve 82 MPH BOB2 12-02-2013 - 22:44
  Re: Recent derailments - NTSB says Metro North too fast for curve 82 MPH SP5103 12-02-2013 - 21:44
  Re: Recent derailments - NTSB says Metro North too fast for curve 82 MPH deano 12-02-2013 - 22:56
  Re: Recent derailments - NTSB says Metro North too fast for curve 82 MPH Mark 12-03-2013 - 03:52
  Re: Recent derailments - NTSB says Metro North too fast for curve 82 MPH Bruce Butler 12-03-2013 - 08:22
  Re: Recent derailments - NTSB says Metro North too fast for curve 82 MPH BOB2 12-03-2013 - 08:43
  Re: Recent derailments - NTSB says Metro North too fast for curve 82 MPH TKL 12-03-2013 - 10:05
  Re: Recent derailments - Metro North SP5103 12-03-2013 - 13:56
  Re: Recent derailments - Metro North Dr Zarkoff 12-03-2013 - 21:42
  Re: Recent derailments - Metro North SP5103 12-04-2013 - 11:16
  Re: Recent derailments - Metro North Dr Zarkoff 12-04-2013 - 11:59
  Re: Recent derailments - Metro North mook 12-04-2013 - 18:30
  Re: Recent derailments - Metro North SP5103 12-05-2013 - 12:18
  Re: Recent derailments - Metro North Dr Zarkoff 12-05-2013 - 12:55
  Re: Recent derailments - Metro North Dr Zarkoff 12-05-2013 - 12:34
  Re: Recent derailments - Metro North George Andrews 12-05-2013 - 12:59
  Re: Recent derailments - Metro North Dr Zarkoff 12-05-2013 - 14:37
  Re: Recent derailments - Metro North George Andrews 12-05-2013 - 20:40
  Re: Recent derailments - Metro North Dr Zarkoff 12-05-2013 - 20:50
  Re: Recent derailments - Metro North George Andrews 12-06-2013 - 13:59
  Re: Recent derailments - Metro North fkrock 12-06-2013 - 10:00
  Re: Recent derailments - Metro North mook 12-06-2013 - 18:01
  Re: Recent derailments - Metro North SP5103 12-05-2013 - 12:50
  Re: Recent derailments - Metro North Dr Zarkoff 12-05-2013 - 14:06
  Re: Recent derailments - NTSB says Metro North too fast for curve 82 MPH OPRRMS 12-03-2013 - 13:53
  CNN wirestory from today's NTSB press conference OPRRMS 12-03-2013 - 17:26
  Re: CNN wirestory from today's NTSB press conference deano 12-04-2013 - 08:58
  Ricky Gates et al SP5103 12-04-2013 - 10:28
  Re: Ricky Gates et al fkrock 12-04-2013 - 11:05
  Re: Ricky Gates et al Dr Zarkoff 12-04-2013 - 11:23
  Re: Ricky Gates et al George Andrews 12-04-2013 - 12:41
  Re: Ricky Gates -- OOPS !!! George Andrews 12-04-2013 - 12:49
  Re: Ricky Gates et al OPRRMS 12-04-2013 - 12:12
  Re: Ricky Gates et al Mark 12-04-2013 - 13:47
  @ Mark, RE: ACRE OPRRMS 12-04-2013 - 14:34


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