Re: TrainNews eBart: BART gauge origin?
Author: Eugene
Date: 12-31-2013 - 14:33

There have been several reasons floated around for BART's odd (for the US) gauge. These include Southern Pacific demanding a break in gauge to prevent freight competition (looking at BART's system, I consider this one to be urban lore), higher safety for a proposed and never implemented crossing on the Golden Gate Bridge and the designers simply not being aware that such a thing as standard gauge existed.

The most plausible explanation I have found is that BART was intended to be groundbreaking and the template for a new type of transit system, so the designers were given a blank slate. Studies were done during the design phase that defined a car outline of X width for passenger comfort and this in turn influenced a call for a wider gauge, 5'6", which would allow stable, "high" speed operation of this wider car. Note that the gauge is not the only item out of standard for BART, its car outlines are also wider than AAR specifications.

However, BART was not widely emulated. Only Washington DC's system is similar and they opted for standard US gauge. The wide gauge has reportedly been a factor in higher cost (custom ties are needed, for example, as are custom or modified wheelsets and bogies), but in other ways the system has proven quite successful. BART cars are among the most comfortable in terms of seating arrangement that I and others I have spoken too have encountered. And they are inherently more stable with their low slung bodies and wide wheel stance. In theory, the system should be capable of much higher speeds that other transit systems, but seems to be limited by signalling and track structure.

One item often blamed on the gauge is BART's distinctive track whine when in curves. I have never encountered another rail or subway system that sounds quite like it or is as loud. However, it has been pointed out that gauge alone should not cause this. It is perhaps a harmonic that results from the gauge coupled with the wheelbase of the trucks and the long truck center measurement.



Subject Written By Date/Time (PST)
  TrainNews eBart Ed Workman 12-31-2013 - 07:35
  Re: TrainNews eBart mook 12-31-2013 - 12:44
  Re: TrainNews eBart SP4460 12-31-2013 - 13:27
  Re: TrainNews eBart: BART gauge origin? Olde Glen Ellen Station 12-31-2013 - 14:09
  Re: TrainNews eBart: BART gauge origin? Drew Jacksich 12-31-2013 - 14:17
  Re: TrainNews eBart: BART gauge origin? KRK 12-31-2013 - 14:21
  Re: TrainNews eBart: BART gauge origin? usmc1401 12-31-2013 - 14:18
  Re: TrainNews eBart: BART gauge origin? Eugene 12-31-2013 - 14:33
  Re: TrainNews eBart: BART gauge origin? P. Kepler 12-31-2013 - 14:42
  Re: TrainNews eBart: BART gauge origin? Fred 12-31-2013 - 15:25
  Re: TrainNews eBart: BART gauge origin and the Golden Gate Bridge Ed Workman 12-31-2013 - 15:46
  Re: TrainNews eBart: BART gauge origin and the Golden Gate Bridge Dr Zarkoff 01-01-2014 - 10:03
  Re: TrainNews eBart: BART gauge origin? Ed Workman 12-31-2013 - 15:31
  Wheel Howl (not squeal) Edward 12-31-2013 - 17:58
  Re: Wheel Howl (not squeal) Dr Zarkoff 01-01-2014 - 10:05
  Re: Wheel Howl (not squeal) Edward 01-01-2014 - 12:41
  Re: Wheel Howl (not squeal) OldPoleBurner 01-02-2014 - 19:09
  Re: Wheel Howl (Are G scale trains superior?) HUTCH 7.62 01-05-2014 - 14:17
  Re: Wheel Howl (Are G scale trains superior?) Dr Zarkoff 01-05-2014 - 21:53
  Re: Wheel Howl (not squeal) synonymouse 01-02-2014 - 18:05
  Re: Wheel Howl (not squeal) fkrock 01-03-2014 - 10:13
  Re: Wheel Howl (not squeal) URTX$@WRK 01-03-2014 - 11:54
  Re: Wheel Howl (not squeal) mook 01-03-2014 - 19:47
  Re: Wheel Howl (not squeal) synonymouse 01-03-2014 - 20:37
  BART Employees of the 70's :) HUTCH 7.62 01-03-2014 - 21:16
  Re: TrainNews eBart: BART gauge origin? Scott Schiechl 12-31-2013 - 15:38
  Re: TrainNews eBart: BART gauge origin and HSR Ed Workman 12-31-2013 - 16:03
  Re: TrainNews eBart: BART gauge vs. eBART Eugene 12-31-2013 - 16:19
  Re: TrainNews eBart: BART gauge vs. eBART Inquiring Mind 12-31-2013 - 17:43
  Re: TrainNews eBart: BART gauge vs. eBART synonymouse 12-31-2013 - 17:51
  Re: TrainNews eBart: BART gauge origin and HSR SP4460 12-31-2013 - 20:46
  Re: TrainNews eBart: BART gauge origin? synonymouse 12-31-2013 - 17:46
  Re: TrainNews eBart: BART gauge origin? George Andrews 12-31-2013 - 19:21
  Re: TrainNews eBart: BART gauge origin? Fred 12-31-2013 - 19:30
  Re: TrainNews eBart: BART gauge origin? Espee99 12-31-2013 - 19:46
  Re: TrainNews eBart: BART gauge origin? Fred 12-31-2013 - 20:17
  Re: TrainNews eBart: BART gauge origin? synonymouse 12-31-2013 - 21:53
  Re: TrainNews eBart: BART gauge origin? Ken Shattock (KRK) 01-01-2014 - 17:34
  Re: TrainNews eBart: BART gauge origin? synonymouse 01-01-2014 - 17:39
  Re: TrainNews eBart: BART gauge origin? mook 01-01-2014 - 08:45
  Re: TrainNews eBart: BART gauge origin? synonymouse 12-31-2013 - 21:50
  Re: TrainNews eBart: BART gauge origin? Ed Workman 01-01-2014 - 07:45
  Re: TrainNews eBart: BART gauge origin? Scott Schiechl 01-01-2014 - 10:55
  Re: TrainNews eBart: BART gauge origin? mook 01-01-2014 - 11:58
  Re: TrainNews eBart: BART gauge origin? synonymouse 01-01-2014 - 12:18
  Re: TrainNews eBart: BART gauge origin? Scott Schiechl 01-01-2014 - 14:20
  Re: TrainNews eBart: BART gauge origin? synonymouse 01-01-2014 - 14:39
  Re: TrainNews eBart: BART gauge origin? synonymouse 01-01-2014 - 12:09
  BART on Geary? To B or not to B? 01-01-2014 - 13:01
  Re: BART on Geary? fkrock 01-02-2014 - 12:53
  Re: BART on Geary? synonymouse 01-02-2014 - 13:03
  Re: BART on Geary? OldPoleBurner 01-02-2014 - 14:45
  Re: BART on Geary? synonymouse 01-02-2014 - 15:25
  Re: BART on Geary? Scott Schiechl 01-02-2014 - 15:26
  Re: BART on Geary? OldPoleBurner 01-02-2014 - 17:02
  Re: BART on Geary? synonymouse 01-02-2014 - 17:46
  Re: BART on Geary? The Mouse HATES BART... George Andrews 01-02-2014 - 18:05
  Re: BART on Geary? mook 01-02-2014 - 18:22
  Re: BART on Geary? OldPoleBurner 01-02-2014 - 20:12
  Re: BART on Geary? 90 second transbay headway Ed Workman 01-03-2014 - 15:52
  Re: BART on Geary? synonymouse 01-02-2014 - 20:17
  Huh! OldPoleBurner 01-02-2014 - 20:39
  Re: BART on Geary? theconductor 01-03-2014 - 08:16


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