Re: Wheel Howl (not squeal)
Author: OldPoleBurner
Date: 01-02-2014 - 19:09

Since I was assigned to work on the property (BART) in the days when the first articles were delivered, all equipped with standard conical wheel treads which were very very quiet (scary quiet even) to anybody standing trackside; I have come to a theory about all that noise.

After the twelfth car was delivered, they started coming with non-standard cylindrical wheel treads, which were indeed a lot noisier, even then. This was supposedly because the ride (pitch & woo) was judged to be unpleasant. Rather than correct the dampening ratios, Bechtel came up with this solution. Of course, this means that no taper exists to help guide the wheels around curves. Flanges are all there is - much like a toy train!

Worse yet, the extreme rigidity of the trucks, and their inadequate dampening, was never fixed. Electronic studies of track circuit performance even revealed that wheels were routinely lifting off the rail by a few thousandths, breaking train detection, and probably accelerating corrugation effects. To my knowledge, nothing was ever done about any of this.

Moreover, even on tangent, both flange fillet radii must be in contact with gauge corners of the rail at the same time; in order to have any finesse control of the wheels. This leads to extreme wear on both wheel and rail; and indeed could be the cause of premature corrugation. Fact is, rail that should last nearly 100 million ton-miles (very light cars on heavy rail), continues to have a very short lifespan - much shorter than the average freight line. BART track is thus inordinately expensive to maintain; not to mention the systemic train control problems caused by wheels that can't keep the rails clean of rust. Rust beads were common on rail tops, for several years until the wheels were worn-in to a natural taper. (caused by the cant of the rail as seated in the tie plates).

Sometimes it just doesn't pay to re-invent the wheel! Especially, when it was already working just fine, and was not the problem. Not that anyone at Bechtel knew anything about that - or cared. They just ignored us young troglytes with any rail experience!



Subject Written By Date/Time (PST)
  TrainNews eBart Ed Workman 12-31-2013 - 07:35
  Re: TrainNews eBart mook 12-31-2013 - 12:44
  Re: TrainNews eBart SP4460 12-31-2013 - 13:27
  Re: TrainNews eBart: BART gauge origin? Olde Glen Ellen Station 12-31-2013 - 14:09
  Re: TrainNews eBart: BART gauge origin? Drew Jacksich 12-31-2013 - 14:17
  Re: TrainNews eBart: BART gauge origin? KRK 12-31-2013 - 14:21
  Re: TrainNews eBart: BART gauge origin? usmc1401 12-31-2013 - 14:18
  Re: TrainNews eBart: BART gauge origin? Eugene 12-31-2013 - 14:33
  Re: TrainNews eBart: BART gauge origin? P. Kepler 12-31-2013 - 14:42
  Re: TrainNews eBart: BART gauge origin? Fred 12-31-2013 - 15:25
  Re: TrainNews eBart: BART gauge origin and the Golden Gate Bridge Ed Workman 12-31-2013 - 15:46
  Re: TrainNews eBart: BART gauge origin and the Golden Gate Bridge Dr Zarkoff 01-01-2014 - 10:03
  Re: TrainNews eBart: BART gauge origin? Ed Workman 12-31-2013 - 15:31
  Wheel Howl (not squeal) Edward 12-31-2013 - 17:58
  Re: Wheel Howl (not squeal) Dr Zarkoff 01-01-2014 - 10:05
  Re: Wheel Howl (not squeal) Edward 01-01-2014 - 12:41
  Re: Wheel Howl (not squeal) OldPoleBurner 01-02-2014 - 19:09
  Re: Wheel Howl (Are G scale trains superior?) HUTCH 7.62 01-05-2014 - 14:17
  Re: Wheel Howl (Are G scale trains superior?) Dr Zarkoff 01-05-2014 - 21:53
  Re: Wheel Howl (not squeal) synonymouse 01-02-2014 - 18:05
  Re: Wheel Howl (not squeal) fkrock 01-03-2014 - 10:13
  Re: Wheel Howl (not squeal) URTX$@WRK 01-03-2014 - 11:54
  Re: Wheel Howl (not squeal) mook 01-03-2014 - 19:47
  Re: Wheel Howl (not squeal) synonymouse 01-03-2014 - 20:37
  BART Employees of the 70's :) HUTCH 7.62 01-03-2014 - 21:16
  Re: TrainNews eBart: BART gauge origin? Scott Schiechl 12-31-2013 - 15:38
  Re: TrainNews eBart: BART gauge origin and HSR Ed Workman 12-31-2013 - 16:03
  Re: TrainNews eBart: BART gauge vs. eBART Eugene 12-31-2013 - 16:19
  Re: TrainNews eBart: BART gauge vs. eBART Inquiring Mind 12-31-2013 - 17:43
  Re: TrainNews eBart: BART gauge vs. eBART synonymouse 12-31-2013 - 17:51
  Re: TrainNews eBart: BART gauge origin and HSR SP4460 12-31-2013 - 20:46
  Re: TrainNews eBart: BART gauge origin? synonymouse 12-31-2013 - 17:46
  Re: TrainNews eBart: BART gauge origin? George Andrews 12-31-2013 - 19:21
  Re: TrainNews eBart: BART gauge origin? Fred 12-31-2013 - 19:30
  Re: TrainNews eBart: BART gauge origin? Espee99 12-31-2013 - 19:46
  Re: TrainNews eBart: BART gauge origin? Fred 12-31-2013 - 20:17
  Re: TrainNews eBart: BART gauge origin? synonymouse 12-31-2013 - 21:53
  Re: TrainNews eBart: BART gauge origin? Ken Shattock (KRK) 01-01-2014 - 17:34
  Re: TrainNews eBart: BART gauge origin? synonymouse 01-01-2014 - 17:39
  Re: TrainNews eBart: BART gauge origin? mook 01-01-2014 - 08:45
  Re: TrainNews eBart: BART gauge origin? synonymouse 12-31-2013 - 21:50
  Re: TrainNews eBart: BART gauge origin? Ed Workman 01-01-2014 - 07:45
  Re: TrainNews eBart: BART gauge origin? Scott Schiechl 01-01-2014 - 10:55
  Re: TrainNews eBart: BART gauge origin? mook 01-01-2014 - 11:58
  Re: TrainNews eBart: BART gauge origin? synonymouse 01-01-2014 - 12:18
  Re: TrainNews eBart: BART gauge origin? Scott Schiechl 01-01-2014 - 14:20
  Re: TrainNews eBart: BART gauge origin? synonymouse 01-01-2014 - 14:39
  Re: TrainNews eBart: BART gauge origin? synonymouse 01-01-2014 - 12:09
  BART on Geary? To B or not to B? 01-01-2014 - 13:01
  Re: BART on Geary? fkrock 01-02-2014 - 12:53
  Re: BART on Geary? synonymouse 01-02-2014 - 13:03
  Re: BART on Geary? OldPoleBurner 01-02-2014 - 14:45
  Re: BART on Geary? synonymouse 01-02-2014 - 15:25
  Re: BART on Geary? Scott Schiechl 01-02-2014 - 15:26
  Re: BART on Geary? OldPoleBurner 01-02-2014 - 17:02
  Re: BART on Geary? synonymouse 01-02-2014 - 17:46
  Re: BART on Geary? The Mouse HATES BART... George Andrews 01-02-2014 - 18:05
  Re: BART on Geary? mook 01-02-2014 - 18:22
  Re: BART on Geary? OldPoleBurner 01-02-2014 - 20:12
  Re: BART on Geary? 90 second transbay headway Ed Workman 01-03-2014 - 15:52
  Re: BART on Geary? synonymouse 01-02-2014 - 20:17
  Huh! OldPoleBurner 01-02-2014 - 20:39
  Re: BART on Geary? theconductor 01-03-2014 - 08:16


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