Re: BART on Geary?
Author: fkrock
Date: 01-02-2014 - 12:53

At the time it was being designed, press reports said that the BART broad gauge track was the result of extensive wind tunnel testing of scale model trains. The desire was maximun stability on elevated track with prevailing Bay Area winds. I believe most other railfan musing falls in the category of urban legends.

The original BART Concord test track was used to evaluate different technology for powering and computer control of trains. Several different AC and DC voltages were tried. 1000 volt DC third rail power was determind to be the best compromise. With the cheap reliable solid state rectifiers we have today I suspect AC power would have been supplied to the trains. Although three-phase AC power had been used on several transit systems in Germany (the power collectors were monstrosities), the problems of getting three-phase power into a moving train might have prevented using it for BART. Three-phase power is much better for converting to DC than is single-phase AC power. AC third rail power also causes problems with regenerative braking.

BART did not want to be limited to existing technology. 1000 volt DC motors were available in the 1940's. Transit operation could not increase voltage because of the large amount of existing 600 volt equipment. Ohm's Law applies. The higher the voltage, the lower the current for the same amount of traction power. This allows for less coper wire used for traction power feeders. Third rail also requires much less feeder wire than various overhead wire systems.

BART was meant to improve the state of the art. However the cars were not as reliable as had been predicted. So the system was built without side tracks to park dead trains temporarily. That problem plagues BART to this day.



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  Re: TrainNews eBart SP4460 12-31-2013 - 13:27
  Re: TrainNews eBart: BART gauge origin? Olde Glen Ellen Station 12-31-2013 - 14:09
  Re: TrainNews eBart: BART gauge origin? Drew Jacksich 12-31-2013 - 14:17
  Re: TrainNews eBart: BART gauge origin? KRK 12-31-2013 - 14:21
  Re: TrainNews eBart: BART gauge origin? usmc1401 12-31-2013 - 14:18
  Re: TrainNews eBart: BART gauge origin? Eugene 12-31-2013 - 14:33
  Re: TrainNews eBart: BART gauge origin? P. Kepler 12-31-2013 - 14:42
  Re: TrainNews eBart: BART gauge origin? Fred 12-31-2013 - 15:25
  Re: TrainNews eBart: BART gauge origin and the Golden Gate Bridge Ed Workman 12-31-2013 - 15:46
  Re: TrainNews eBart: BART gauge origin and the Golden Gate Bridge Dr Zarkoff 01-01-2014 - 10:03
  Re: TrainNews eBart: BART gauge origin? Ed Workman 12-31-2013 - 15:31
  Wheel Howl (not squeal) Edward 12-31-2013 - 17:58
  Re: Wheel Howl (not squeal) Dr Zarkoff 01-01-2014 - 10:05
  Re: Wheel Howl (not squeal) Edward 01-01-2014 - 12:41
  Re: Wheel Howl (not squeal) OldPoleBurner 01-02-2014 - 19:09
  Re: Wheel Howl (Are G scale trains superior?) HUTCH 7.62 01-05-2014 - 14:17
  Re: Wheel Howl (Are G scale trains superior?) Dr Zarkoff 01-05-2014 - 21:53
  Re: Wheel Howl (not squeal) synonymouse 01-02-2014 - 18:05
  Re: Wheel Howl (not squeal) fkrock 01-03-2014 - 10:13
  Re: Wheel Howl (not squeal) URTX$@WRK 01-03-2014 - 11:54
  Re: Wheel Howl (not squeal) mook 01-03-2014 - 19:47
  Re: Wheel Howl (not squeal) synonymouse 01-03-2014 - 20:37
  BART Employees of the 70's :) HUTCH 7.62 01-03-2014 - 21:16
  Re: TrainNews eBart: BART gauge origin? Scott Schiechl 12-31-2013 - 15:38
  Re: TrainNews eBart: BART gauge origin and HSR Ed Workman 12-31-2013 - 16:03
  Re: TrainNews eBart: BART gauge vs. eBART Eugene 12-31-2013 - 16:19
  Re: TrainNews eBart: BART gauge vs. eBART Inquiring Mind 12-31-2013 - 17:43
  Re: TrainNews eBart: BART gauge vs. eBART synonymouse 12-31-2013 - 17:51
  Re: TrainNews eBart: BART gauge origin and HSR SP4460 12-31-2013 - 20:46
  Re: TrainNews eBart: BART gauge origin? synonymouse 12-31-2013 - 17:46
  Re: TrainNews eBart: BART gauge origin? George Andrews 12-31-2013 - 19:21
  Re: TrainNews eBart: BART gauge origin? Fred 12-31-2013 - 19:30
  Re: TrainNews eBart: BART gauge origin? Espee99 12-31-2013 - 19:46
  Re: TrainNews eBart: BART gauge origin? Fred 12-31-2013 - 20:17
  Re: TrainNews eBart: BART gauge origin? synonymouse 12-31-2013 - 21:53
  Re: TrainNews eBart: BART gauge origin? Ken Shattock (KRK) 01-01-2014 - 17:34
  Re: TrainNews eBart: BART gauge origin? synonymouse 01-01-2014 - 17:39
  Re: TrainNews eBart: BART gauge origin? mook 01-01-2014 - 08:45
  Re: TrainNews eBart: BART gauge origin? synonymouse 12-31-2013 - 21:50
  Re: TrainNews eBart: BART gauge origin? Ed Workman 01-01-2014 - 07:45
  Re: TrainNews eBart: BART gauge origin? Scott Schiechl 01-01-2014 - 10:55
  Re: TrainNews eBart: BART gauge origin? mook 01-01-2014 - 11:58
  Re: TrainNews eBart: BART gauge origin? synonymouse 01-01-2014 - 12:18
  Re: TrainNews eBart: BART gauge origin? Scott Schiechl 01-01-2014 - 14:20
  Re: TrainNews eBart: BART gauge origin? synonymouse 01-01-2014 - 14:39
  Re: TrainNews eBart: BART gauge origin? synonymouse 01-01-2014 - 12:09
  BART on Geary? To B or not to B? 01-01-2014 - 13:01
  Re: BART on Geary? fkrock 01-02-2014 - 12:53
  Re: BART on Geary? synonymouse 01-02-2014 - 13:03
  Re: BART on Geary? OldPoleBurner 01-02-2014 - 14:45
  Re: BART on Geary? synonymouse 01-02-2014 - 15:25
  Re: BART on Geary? Scott Schiechl 01-02-2014 - 15:26
  Re: BART on Geary? OldPoleBurner 01-02-2014 - 17:02
  Re: BART on Geary? synonymouse 01-02-2014 - 17:46
  Re: BART on Geary? The Mouse HATES BART... George Andrews 01-02-2014 - 18:05
  Re: BART on Geary? mook 01-02-2014 - 18:22
  Re: BART on Geary? OldPoleBurner 01-02-2014 - 20:12
  Re: BART on Geary? 90 second transbay headway Ed Workman 01-03-2014 - 15:52
  Re: BART on Geary? synonymouse 01-02-2014 - 20:17
  Huh! OldPoleBurner 01-02-2014 - 20:39
  Re: BART on Geary? theconductor 01-03-2014 - 08:16


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