Re: Metrolink derailment in Oxnard.
Author: Dr Zarkoff
Date: 02-24-2015 - 10:09

>I think the issue here won't be whether the new cars' crash energy management worked but why the cab car did not stay on the track and if an engine was leading if it would have.

This is precisely the point the BLE has been trying to make over the last 15 years. "Crash management" is of little utility when the wheels leave the rails because the suspension system can no longer create the artificially low, virtual center of gravity necessary for general ride stability under normal conditions.

>The absurd comment by the expert, which was actually mentioned by her first, was P-T-C!!!! IIRC she said that Metrolink had already installed PTC (is it up and functioning?) and that it should have prevented this accident by slowing the train down if the tracks were blocked. I wasn't aware that PTC was supposed to be integrated into the grade crossing systems, though I could see that it might be wise in whistle free zones.

For years I've been saying that to eliminate train accidents once and for all: STOP RUNNING THE TRAINS.



Subject Written By Date/Time (PST)
  Metrolink derailment in Oxnard. Tony Czuleger 02-24-2015 - 06:52
  Train 102 Taxpayer 02-24-2015 - 06:57
  Re: Train 102 Rice Ave and 5th Street Taxpayer 02-24-2015 - 06:59
  Re: Train 102 Rice Ave and 5th Street Alvah Crocker 02-24-2015 - 11:12
  Re: Metrolink derailment in Oxnard. Richard Elgenson 02-24-2015 - 07:16
  Re: Metrolink derailment in Oxnard. Howard 02-24-2015 - 07:18
  Driver of truck ran away and was caught >:p 02-24-2015 - 07:21
  Re: Only an hour old and already we already get speculative BS? BOB2 02-24-2015 - 08:01
  More than an hour old >:p 02-24-2015 - 08:03
  Re: Driver of truck ran away and was caught Taxpayer 02-24-2015 - 08:01
  One thing we can agree on Hogger 02-24-2015 - 08:17
  Re: Metrolink derailment in Oxnard. Dr Zarkoff 02-24-2015 - 09:28
  Re: Metrolink derailment in Oxnard. mook 02-24-2015 - 08:37
  Re: Metrolink derailment in Oxnard. Robert 02-24-2015 - 08:41
  Re: Metrolink derailment in Oxnard. mook 02-24-2015 - 09:09
  Re: Metrolink derailment in Oxnard. OPRRMS 02-24-2015 - 10:19
  Re: Metrolink derailment in Oxnard.-Rice is Bad News BOB2 02-24-2015 - 08:46
  Rose is also a crossing with history >:p 02-24-2015 - 08:59
  Re: Metrolink derailment in Oxnard.-Rice is Bad News mook 02-24-2015 - 09:18
  Re: Metrolink derailment in Oxnard.-Rice is Bad News mook 02-24-2015 - 09:27
  Re: Metrolink derailment in Oxnard. SP5103 02-24-2015 - 09:39
  Re: Metrolink derailment in Oxnard. Espee99 02-24-2015 - 09:43
  Re: Metrolink derailment in Oxnard. Dr Zarkoff 02-24-2015 - 10:09
  "to eliminate train accidents once and for all: STOP RUNNING THE TRAINS." >:p 02-24-2015 - 10:53
  Re: Metrolink derailment in Oxnard. SP5103 02-24-2015 - 10:22
  Re: Metrolink derailment in Oxnard. Mark 02-24-2015 - 10:34
  Re: CNN Afternoon Report: Metrolink derailment in Oxnard. Bruce Kelly 02-24-2015 - 10:37
  Crash Energy Management J 02-24-2015 - 10:56
  Re: Metrolink derailment in Oxnard. Robert 02-24-2015 - 10:45
  Re: Metrolink derailment in Oxnard. Alfred Doten 02-24-2015 - 11:28
  Re: Parallel intersections problems RE 5103 BOB2 02-24-2015 - 11:32
  Re: Metrolink derailment in Oxnard. [ET] That Genset Foamer 02-24-2015 - 11:53
  Re: Metrolink derailment in Oxnard. Dr Zarkoff 02-24-2015 - 12:08
  Re: Metrolink derailment in Oxnard. Dr Zarkoff 02-24-2015 - 12:03
  Re: Metrolink derailment in Oxnard. SP5103 02-24-2015 - 12:41
  Re:Oxnard-Cab Camera-Interesting Observation Zark? BOB2 02-24-2015 - 12:48
  Re: Re:Oxnard-Cab Camera-Interesting Observation Zark? Physics 02-24-2015 - 15:51
  Re: That makes more sense.......if that's what the evidence is. BOB2 02-24-2015 - 16:30
  Re: That makes more sense.......if that's what the evidence is. SP5103 02-24-2015 - 17:28
  Re: That makes more sense.......if that's what the evidence is. [ET] That Genset Foamer 02-24-2015 - 18:11
  Re: That makes more sense.......if that's what the evidence is. M smith 02-24-2015 - 18:43
  Re: Metrolink derailment in Oxnard. J C Koans 02-24-2015 - 11:22
  54 year old produce truck driver from Arizona Taxpayer 02-24-2015 - 12:04
  Oops Taxpayer 02-24-2015 - 12:06
  On the Tracks, Not the Crossing--Changes the Physics Perhaps? [ET] That Genset Foamer 02-24-2015 - 15:19
  NTSB 9PM update Richard Elgenson 02-24-2015 - 23:59
  Re: Metrolink derailment in Oxnard. "Smart Islands" and PTC 02-25-2015 - 16:59
  Re: Metrolink derailment in Oxnard. Speeder Kevin 02-25-2015 - 17:53
  Re: Metrolink derailment in Oxnard-Smart Islands BOB2 02-25-2015 - 19:44
  Re: Metrolink derailment in Oxnard-Smart Islands Speeder Kevin 02-25-2015 - 23:16
  Re: No Visual Detection Technologies Are Actually Much Cheaper BOB2 02-25-2015 - 23:24
  Re: Metrolink derailment in Oxnard. Dr Zarkoff 02-25-2015 - 20:16
  Re: Metrolink derailment in Oxnard. BOB2 02-25-2015 - 21:11
  Re: Metrolink derailment in Oxnard. mook 02-25-2015 - 21:54
  Smart islands, quad gates, are not going to stop "The Stupid Drivers" >:p 02-26-2015 - 07:42
  Re: Smart islands, quad gates, are not going to stop "The Stupid Drivers" mook 02-26-2015 - 08:24
  Re: Not about "The Stupid Drivers" BOB2 02-26-2015 - 09:33
  Re: Not about "The Stupid Drivers" OERM Otaku 02-26-2015 - 09:50
  Bob your the Fing IDIOT! >:p 02-26-2015 - 10:27
  Temper Temper Hogger 02-26-2015 - 14:50
  Re: Temper Temper mook 02-26-2015 - 16:24
  Re: Temper Temper Dr Zarkoff 02-26-2015 - 19:16


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