On the Tracks, Not the Crossing--Changes the Physics Perhaps?
Author: [ET] That Genset Foamer
Date: 02-24-2015 - 15:19

I have a suspicion that the position of the truck relative to the railheads has something to do with why this derailment was so severe, and why this didn't happen a couple years ago with the low-boy collision in Camarillo.

Because the truck was significantly lower than the anticlimber than if the truck was on the pavement, the anticlimber functioned in exactly the opposite way it was supposed to.It could have caught on the truck's hood like a ramp and forced the railcar upward, lifting the cabcar's forward truck from the track. This could also explain why the coupler was missing from the cabcar--the front draft gear or its attachments 'yielded' in the collision. The reason why it flipped back around was likely just a matter of the derailed, hunting cabcar's remaining truck forming a 'lever' and taking the force from the remainder of the train before the 'Huck' bolts yielded. I'm still puzzled about how the bike car got ejected out of the consist though, although the track damage could have some correlation to the circumstances behind that.

Also somewhat significant, this isn't an old problem either--according to Abdill's Pacific Slope Railroads, incidents akin to this happened with sheep herds back in the 'wooden axle days' as well--if part of a flock would would get struck, they'd catch under the engine's pilot wheels and cause the engine to derail in a similar way...of course, the solution back then possibly involved improving the pilots as well.

Needless to say this issue might be a design flaw dating back to the Bombardiers--something very similar happened in the Glendale derailment back in 2005. NTSB could make some recommendations about this...



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  Re: Metrolink derailment in Oxnard.-Rice is Bad News BOB2 02-24-2015 - 08:46
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  Re: Metrolink derailment in Oxnard.-Rice is Bad News mook 02-24-2015 - 09:18
  Re: Metrolink derailment in Oxnard.-Rice is Bad News mook 02-24-2015 - 09:27
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  Re: Metrolink derailment in Oxnard. Espee99 02-24-2015 - 09:43
  Re: Metrolink derailment in Oxnard. Dr Zarkoff 02-24-2015 - 10:09
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  Re: Metrolink derailment in Oxnard. SP5103 02-24-2015 - 10:22
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  Re: Parallel intersections problems RE 5103 BOB2 02-24-2015 - 11:32
  Re: Metrolink derailment in Oxnard. [ET] That Genset Foamer 02-24-2015 - 11:53
  Re: Metrolink derailment in Oxnard. Dr Zarkoff 02-24-2015 - 12:08
  Re: Metrolink derailment in Oxnard. Dr Zarkoff 02-24-2015 - 12:03
  Re: Metrolink derailment in Oxnard. SP5103 02-24-2015 - 12:41
  Re:Oxnard-Cab Camera-Interesting Observation Zark? BOB2 02-24-2015 - 12:48
  Re: Re:Oxnard-Cab Camera-Interesting Observation Zark? Physics 02-24-2015 - 15:51
  Re: That makes more sense.......if that's what the evidence is. BOB2 02-24-2015 - 16:30
  Re: That makes more sense.......if that's what the evidence is. SP5103 02-24-2015 - 17:28
  Re: That makes more sense.......if that's what the evidence is. [ET] That Genset Foamer 02-24-2015 - 18:11
  Re: That makes more sense.......if that's what the evidence is. M smith 02-24-2015 - 18:43
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  Re: Metrolink derailment in Oxnard. Speeder Kevin 02-25-2015 - 17:53
  Re: Metrolink derailment in Oxnard-Smart Islands BOB2 02-25-2015 - 19:44
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  Re: Metrolink derailment in Oxnard. BOB2 02-25-2015 - 21:11
  Re: Metrolink derailment in Oxnard. mook 02-25-2015 - 21:54
  Smart islands, quad gates, are not going to stop "The Stupid Drivers" >:p 02-26-2015 - 07:42
  Re: Smart islands, quad gates, are not going to stop "The Stupid Drivers" mook 02-26-2015 - 08:24
  Re: Not about "The Stupid Drivers" BOB2 02-26-2015 - 09:33
  Re: Not about "The Stupid Drivers" OERM Otaku 02-26-2015 - 09:50
  Bob your the Fing IDIOT! >:p 02-26-2015 - 10:27
  Temper Temper Hogger 02-26-2015 - 14:50
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