Re: Brian Peoples Wants Track Removed From Beach Street In Santa Cruz
Author: mook
Date: 05-04-2015 - 09:08

After all the heat in this item, I looked at some aerials (Google sat view still shows the old configuration, as of this morning at least) to try to get a little light. Mr. Peeps may have a point - the roundabout does cause a potential problem. It doesn't justify the rest of his tirade, obviously.

No guarantees that the old configuration will show much longer, but it was in Google sat view as of 5/4/15: [www.google.com]

Before the roundabout, the tracks curved through an area that was not part of the street. It was striped off from both bicycle and vehicle traffic, but was paved for access to a couple of driveways (and for easier maintenance I presume). Some people probably screamed through there to cut off traffic, but given the one-way layout of Beach Street and the 2-way layout of Pacific probably not many. Bicyclists may have used it too (almost certainly did), but again the main route didn't go there - the bike lane is on the beach side of Beach Street, avoiding the rails, and on Pacific the rail crossing was at maybe a 45deg angle (not too bad), and well marked by the contrasting concrete pavers.

With the roundabout, traffic is now on and parallel to the tracks for a short stretch heading to northbound Pacific, including bicycle traffic from the wharf area. Motorcycles might not like it either. Unlike at the Casino (https://www.google.com/maps/@36.9641778,-122.0200729,82m/data=!3m1!1e3) there's no practical way to jog a bike path across the tracks at a near-90deg angle. So the problem is probably real, and is created by the design of the roundabout. Bicyclists will need to pay unusual attention to the tracks there (while also paying attention to traffic in a tight space) because of the way the roundabout was designed. Perhaps

The solution has to be with the road designers - they caused the problem. The railroad hasn't changed, and the old configuration didn't have the problem. Certainly not a reason (except in BP's mind) to yank the rails.



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  Brian Peoples Wants Track Removed From Beach Street In Santa Cruz Howard 04-30-2015 - 18:01
  Re: Brian Peoples Wants Track Removed From Beach Street In Santa Cruz Espee99 04-30-2015 - 18:03
  Re: Brian Peoples Wants Track Removed From Beach Street In Santa Cruz Brian Westgate 04-30-2015 - 18:39
  Re: Brian Peoples Wants Track Removed From Beach Street In Santa Cruz Howard 04-30-2015 - 18:48
  Re: Brian Peoples Wants Track Removed From Beach Street In Santa Cruz Brian Westgate 05-01-2015 - 04:19
  Re: Brian Peoples Wants Track Removed From Beach Street In Santa Cruz mook 05-04-2015 - 09:08
  Re: Brian Peoples ... and the roundabout ... edit mook 05-04-2015 - 09:13
  Re: Brian Peoples Wants Track Removed From Beach Street In Santa Cruz Negin 04-30-2015 - 18:11
  More Delusional Comments From Brian Peoples It Just Gets Better 04-30-2015 - 18:17
  Re: More Delusional Comments From Brian Peoples The Odd Duck 04-30-2015 - 20:54
  Re: Brian Peoples Wants Track Removed From Beach Street In Santa Cruz santa cruz 04-30-2015 - 19:43
  Re: Brian Peoples Wants Track Removed From Beach Street In Santa Cruz Toker 04-30-2015 - 19:53
  Re: Brian Peoples Wants Track Removed From Beach Street In Santa Cruz Cprr 04-30-2015 - 21:27
  More Nonsense From Peoples People Hard To Believe 04-30-2015 - 20:04
  Call Elon! pdxrailtransit 04-30-2015 - 20:58
  Only in Santa Cruz. Bike Nazi's must die! 04-30-2015 - 21:16
  Brian wrote article for his daughter to post in Sentinel Train over Trail fan. 06-17-2015 - 16:17
  Re: Brian Peoples Wants Track Removed From Beach Street In Santa Cruz mook 04-30-2015 - 21:54
  Re: Brian Peoples Wants Track Removed From Beach Street In Santa Cruz Negin 04-30-2015 - 22:29
  Re: Brian Peoples Wants Track Removed From Beach Street In Santa Cruz Vee-Eight 04-30-2015 - 23:09
  Re: Beach Street Track Wants Brian Peoples Removed From Santa Cruz Truther 05-01-2015 - 08:07
  Re: I watched the RTC show on TV ... Did you ?? KRK 05-01-2015 - 10:04
  Re: I watched the RTC show on TV ... Did you ?? Grand Wizard Curmudgeon 05-01-2015 - 13:18
  Re: I watched the RTC show on TV ... Did you ?? Cprr 05-01-2015 - 16:21
  Re: I watched the RTC show on TV ... Did you ?? knuckle dragger 05-01-2015 - 16:35
  Re: I watched the RTC show on TV ... Did you ?? Ken Shattock (KRK) 05-01-2015 - 18:33
  Re: I watched the RTC show on TV ... Did you ?? [ET] That Genset Foamer 05-03-2015 - 00:02
  Don't send letters to him A Transit Planner Speaks 05-01-2015 - 20:11
  Re: Don't send letters to him - READ THE PREVIOUS MESSAGE mook 05-01-2015 - 20:58
  Re: Don't send letters to him - READ THE PREVIOUS MESSAGE wsabo 05-02-2015 - 11:19
  Re: Don't send letters to him - READ THE PREVIOUS MESSAGE mook 05-02-2015 - 15:23
  Re: Don't send letters to him - READ THE PREVIOUS MESSAGE The Odd Duck 05-02-2015 - 19:42
  Re: @ Mook A Transit Planner Speaks 05-02-2015 - 17:33
  Re: Don't send letters to him Negin 05-01-2015 - 21:05
  Re: I watched the RTC show on TV ... Did you ?? HUTCH 7.62 05-01-2015 - 20:01
  Re: I watched the RTC show on TV ... Did you ?? The Odd Duck 05-01-2015 - 23:34
  Disclaimer CarolL Voss 05-02-2015 - 22:57
  Re: Disclaimer Ken Shattock (KRK) 05-03-2015 - 17:09
  Re: Disclaimer Carol L Voss 05-03-2015 - 18:18
  Re: Brian Peoples ....American Psycho HUTCH 7.62 05-01-2015 - 20:39
  Re: B. Peoples..American Psycho - Seriously??? A Transit Planner Speaks 05-02-2015 - 05:15
  Re: B. Peoples..American Psycho - Seriously??? The Odd Duck 05-02-2015 - 19:52
  Re: Brian Peoples Wants Track Removed From Beach Street In Santa Cruz v2v pipe dream 05-05-2015 - 19:18
  Re: Brian Peoples Wants Track Removed From Beach Street In Santa Cruz >:p 05-04-2015 - 08:00
  Re: Brian Peoples Wants Track Removed From Beach Street In Santa Cruz The Odd Duck 05-06-2015 - 03:37
  Re: Brian Peoples Wants Track Removed From Beach Street In Santa Cruz hmarkwart 05-09-2015 - 08:52


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