Re: Responding To Hogger
Author: Dr Zarkoff
Date: 03-06-2009 - 18:55

Z, perhaps, but it's also a case of not having enough time nor inclination to type a detailed refutation to a quasi-literate posting. And besides, would you bother to read it if I did? I wouldn't blame you a bit if you weren't so inclined. Some of these discussions are enough to put one to sleep, but I do get really annoyed with people who promote questionable and/or unproven "solutions" to a problem.

For example, someone brought up Ricky Gates and the Gunpow wreck somewhere in one of these discussions (perhaps not this thread). Other than his failure to stop at a stop signal, the biggest single contributing factor to the carnage was Amtrak's removal of the PPR standard derailing track (Amtrak didn't want the "extra" expense of maintaining a switch). This turned what would have a minor red signal violation into a major disaster. But this aspect was quietly overlooked in the ensuing brouhaha. The speed of the Metroliner (10-15 mph over the speed limit) was of no real consequence. The PRR derailing tracks, a company policy specifically to prevent this type of disaster, haven't been revived by Amtrak.

We have, however, been saddled with the random drug testing program, which after the first few years has been so "successful" that about 8 or 10 years ago the companies petitioned the FRA to reduce it drastically because it "didn't justify the costs" born by the railroads. The Unions said "no dice, you wanted the program, let's continue with it", and so it has continued unaltered.

PTC isn't workable yet, and it may not make the arbitrary deadlines in the new law. Cameras trained on the engineer aren't necessarily a solution either. They seem so to the uninitiated, which makes them a readily and emotionally salable commodity, but all they do is trigger sullen resentment, which in itself is unhealthy for safe operations.



Subject Written By Date/Time (PST)
  Chatsworth revisited d 03-04-2009 - 09:46
  List of exhibits [link] OPRRMS 03-04-2009 - 11:54
  Re: List of exhibits [link] OPRRMS 03-04-2009 - 13:26
  Re: Chatsworth revisited John Bruce 03-04-2009 - 14:21
  Re: Chatsworth revisited Mike 03-04-2009 - 14:28
  A Second Engineer Would Have Told Sanchez To Pound Sand Holly Gibson 03-04-2009 - 15:39
  Re: A Second Engineer Would Have Told Sanchez To Pound Sand david vartanoff 03-04-2009 - 17:49
  Re: A Second Engineer Would Have Told Sanchez To Pound Sand WAF 03-04-2009 - 18:41
  Re: A Second Engineer Would Have Told Sanchez To Pound Sand John Galt 03-04-2009 - 19:03
  Re: A Second Engineer Would Have Told Sanchez To Pound Sand Earl 03-05-2009 - 09:50
  Re: Chatsworth revisited OPRRMS 03-04-2009 - 18:48
  This $200 Device Probably Would Have Prevented The Chatsworth Wreck Holly Gibson 03-04-2009 - 20:41
  Rules Compliance J 03-05-2009 - 05:21
  Re: Rules Compliance John Bruce 03-05-2009 - 07:50
  Re: Rules Compliance J 03-05-2009 - 10:46
  Re: Rules Compliance Ed Von Nordeck 03-05-2009 - 20:12
  Re: Rules Compliance John Bruce 03-06-2009 - 08:39
  Re: Rules Compliance Dr Zarkoff 03-06-2009 - 17:53
  Re: Rules Compliance not Zarkoff 03-07-2009 - 11:00
  Re: This $200 Device Probably Would Have Prevented The Chatsworth Wreck crmeatball 03-05-2009 - 11:44
  Re: This $200 Device Probably Would Have Prevented The Chatsworth Wreck hogger 03-05-2009 - 12:13
  Re: 'hogger' and insight Steven D. Johnson 03-05-2009 - 21:36
  Re: Chatsworth revisited Extra Board 03-05-2009 - 21:31
  Responding To Hogger Holly Gibson 03-06-2009 - 04:29
  Re: Responding To Hogger hogger 03-06-2009 - 07:14
  Re: Responding To Hogger Dr Zarkoff 03-06-2009 - 11:26
  Re: Responding To Hogger BOB2 03-06-2009 - 12:39
  Re: Responding To Hogger Dr Zarkoff 03-06-2009 - 15:29
  Re: Responding To Hogger z 03-06-2009 - 18:22
  Re: Responding To Hogger Dr Zarkoff 03-06-2009 - 18:55
  Re: Responding To Hogger OldPoleBurner 03-07-2009 - 13:34
  Re: Responding To Hogger Dr Zarkoff 03-07-2009 - 23:22
  Re: Responding To Hogger Jan van Eck 03-08-2009 - 17:38
  A Conductor Can't Be In Multiple Places Simultaneously Holly Gibson 03-12-2009 - 14:13
  Re: A Conductor Can't Be In Multiple Places Simultaneously GRRR 03-13-2009 - 10:38


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