Joe Wrote:
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> Definitely NOT Joe Wrote:
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>
> > Chris was complelely cooperative with the
> > officers. He just would not allow himself to
> be
> > bullied.
>
> Completely cooperative? What part of, "Show me
> your ID", followed by a refusal, is "cooperative"?
> Bullied?? He wasn't touched. You have a strange
> grasp on the definition of words, Definitely NOT
> Joe.
>
>
> > This isn't about "suffering" and no mention is
> > made of it. And college students, and any
> other
> > American citizen, have the right to be
> activists
> > if they want to be one. The signers of the
> > Declaration of Independence were "activists".
> And
> > Chris has a great deal of sense.
>
> Oh yeah, he has a GREAT deal of sense. Two patrol
> cars, several MTA employees, and 45 minutes later.
> Yup---that's a great deal of sense for something
> that could have been over in 3 minutes.
>
> > This is copied directly from the MTA website on
> > photography:
> >
> > No permit required: A permit is not required
> for
> > non-commercial, personal-use filming or
> > photography by the general public that does not
> > interfere with transit operations or safety.
> >
> > What part of "no permit is required" do you not
> > understand, Joe?
>
> What part of my third post do you not understand,
> Definitely NOT Joe?
>
> > In America, we are not required by law to "show
> > our papers". All we are required to do is
> > verbally identify ourselves by name. Chris did
> > that. This is not Nazi Germany, Joe, it is
> > America.
>
> We are required to show our ID under various
> circumstances. One of those circumstances includes
> being detained by the police, Definitely NOT Joe.
> Nazi Germany, Definitely NOT Joe, is where Jews
> were murdered in "showers". Nazi Germany is where
> the Holocaust happened. How dare you compare that
> pain and suffering of Jews to a college kid not
> being able to take a picture of a train,
> Definitely NOT Joe.
>
> > We're all happy our law enforcement officials
> are
> > keeping an eye on things Joe.
>
> Oh yes, I can tell by your opinion that you are
> very happy with the police, Definitely NOT Joe.
>
> > My my...aren't we judgemental. Ya know, Joe,
> you
> > forgot to slam Jesus freaks and
> environmentalists.
> > If you're going to rant and be bigoted and
> > ignorant, try to be all inclusive...it's much
> more
> > entertaining.
>
> Environmentalists ARE ruining this country,
> Definitely NOT Joe. There, I was judgmental (no
> "e" in judgmental, Definitely NOT Joe) against
> them, too. But I won't say anything against Jesus
> "freaks", Definitely NOT Joe.
>
> > Really? There are more out there like you?
>
> Absolutely, Definitely NOT Joe. Stay with current
> events and do your research. The country is
> overwhelmingly conservative, Definitely NOT Joe.
> Liberalism is what is destroying this country,
> Definitely NOT Joe.
>
> > And good for him...we all need to stand up for
> our
> > rights.
>
> I'm all for standing up for our rights, Definitely
> NOT Joe. Taking pictures on the property of MTA is
> not a "right". What if the MTA had a policy that
> said, "No photographs allowed"? Then what,
> Definitely NOT Joe?
>
>
> > Again, Joe, what part of "no permit is
> required"
> > do you not understand?
>
> Again, Definitely NOT Joe, what part of "read my
> comments" do you not understand?
>
> > Chris broke no laws, and this is not a police
> > state like some banana republic down in South
> > America, so thankfully, they could not arrest
> him
> > for the things you mentioned.
>
> Definitely NOT Joe, I think you need to travel the
> world and understand how third world countries
> operate. Not taking a picture of a train will get
> you laughed out of every police station, court
> system, and lawyers office (for those countries
> that even HAVE lawyers). Before you go spouting
> off about third world countries and banana
> republics, maybe you should do your research and
> understand that taking pictures of a train is not
> high up on the list of priorities. They are
> concerned with things like eating, having some
> type of roof over their head, and not getting shot
> to death for trying to stay alive. The gall of you
> to compare taking a picture of a train to Nazi
> Germany and banana republics. Disgusting.
>
> > I beg to differ, Joe, and you should be ashamed
> > for flogging Chris when he was doing nothing
> more
> > than enjoying his day in a free country where
> we
> > understand that our government works for us and
> > are NOT our taskmasters.
>
> You are free to differ, Definitely NOT Joe. That
> is your "right". Flogging Chris?? There you go
> again, Definitely NOT Joe, throwing around words
> which you apparently have no comprehension of. I
> suggest you look up the word, "flogging".
>
> > By the way, Joe, please read the page at this
> > link; it'll help you understand why all this is
> > happening. Additionally, you might want to
> google
> > up the Steve Barry detention case, which also
> is
> > undergoing review. He's the editor of Railfan
> &
> > Railroad magazine and was also given the
> runaround
> > by transit authorities.
> >
> > [
www.krages.com]
>
> That stupid web page has been around for years.
> What happened to manners in this country? What
> happened to being respectful? This whole non-issue
> with Chris is a complete joke. He made a mountain
> out of a molehill, contrary to what the fare
> inspector and police officers were trying to tell
> him. He made the CHOICE to not hand over his ID.
> And it IS his ID we are talking about--not his
> "papers", Definitely NOT Joe. You are a prime
> example of what is wrong with railfans today. You
> think that your "right" to take a train picture is
> on par with the pain, suffering, world wars, and
> murders that have taken place throughout history.
> You couldn't be more wrong.
Keep yappin' Joe, you're makin' my case, and for that matter, everyone else's too, for why people don't want people like you ranters stepping all over our rights. You have an abundance of opinions and corrections for everyone, and disregard the fact that already MTA has issued an apology and re-direction...yet there you are, makin' stuff up and continuing to annoy and infer what everyone else is about without so much as a clue.
Take a chill pill dude...and RELAX before you bust a vein. The cops were wrong in this instance, the ACLU is going to win, and it's just a matter of time before it's over. Pains you to be on the wrong side of this, doesn't it?