Re: Head-on 2 Amtraks at OAK
Author: Mark Meoff
Date: 10-13-2011 - 19:44

Cosmo Wrote:
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> You guys all need to lay off the crew from
> 717...no one knows for sure what happened
> yet...and the word that they ran up and got thier
> stories straight is probably, most likely
> BS....just hang out and wait till the real story
> comes out..and it will...


Oh, you want the real story?? Let's start a little earlier in the day shall we?

Another engineer had boarded 717 at Merced to re-qualify on the territory (since he was previously terminated for an on duty incident of a D&A positive test)

At Emeryville, the qualifying engineer dropped back to the cab car so that when the train arrived in OKJ they could change ends and get back to the yard quickly.

717 departed EMY and got a yellow signal at CP King Street.

CP North Jack London is clearly visible form CP King Street and was displaying a double red (stop indication)

717 went by the red signal, went over the switch, made a left instead of a right, and the engineer put the train into emergency when he realized he was headed towards train 14.

WHAMMO!!!! 717 smacks into the front of 14 at 15mph, derailing the lead axle of both engines and injuring passengers and crew.

After surveying the damage to both trains, both engineers climbed into the cab of train 14 to talk to the engineer of that train to "get their stories straight" before Amtrak managers or other emergency responders arrived.

The engineer of 717 even made a statement to a CBS 5 reporter about the incident and gave his name, something Amtrak tells its employees to never never never never do. Watch the CBS 5 video report, at the end of the video the reporter says he "talked to one of the crew members of 717 and he said......." Clearly the engineer since he said he "put the emergency brakes on".

Amongst all the chaos and carnage, 717's engineer is walking around the OKJ platform seemingly aloof to the havoc he's caused, even telling people that this is "no big deal", "not that bad", and "not my fault".

A download of the CTC computers confirm that the signal at North Jack London was indeed displaying stop and that the previous signal was yellow.

Oh, and like I said before, 717's engineer had a previous incident where he ran a red signal and nearly went head on with a freight train. Yes he was inexperienced.. BUT... when you're on a yellow signal and must be prepared to stop and the next signal, you don't go the full 40mph to the red, in the fog, and when you must assume you're getting close. Heck, the BNSF even has warning signs that tell you when you're getting close (1000 feet, 500 feet). When he was a student, ever instructor told the company he had no business running a train, and his evaluations even reflected that. The union said the same thing when they hired him to be an engineer.



Subject Written By Date/Time (PST)
  Head-on 2 Amtraks at OAK Jon 10-12-2011 - 22:38
  Re: Head-on 2 Amtraks at OAK Jon 10-12-2011 - 22:45
  Re: Head-on 2 Amtraks at OAK Don 10-12-2011 - 23:20
  Re: Head-on 2 Amtraks at OAK EOM674A 10-12-2011 - 23:41
  Re: Head-on 2 Amtraks at OAK Jon 10-13-2011 - 00:04
  Re: Head-on 2 Amtraks at OAK Mark Meoff 10-13-2011 - 00:22
  Re: Head-on 2 Amtraks at OAK stash 10-13-2011 - 00:27
  Re: Head-on 2 Amtraks at OAK Tie Plate 10-13-2011 - 01:22
  Re: Head-on 2 Amtraks at OAK Gene Poon 10-13-2011 - 09:23
  Re: Head-on 2 Amtraks at OAK Espee99 10-13-2011 - 11:47
  Re: Head-on 2 Amtraks at OAK OPRRMS 10-13-2011 - 13:55
  Re: Head-on 2 Amtraks at OAK EOM674A 10-13-2011 - 13:55
  Re: Head-on 2 Amtraks at OAK Hannibal Katt 10-13-2011 - 15:49
  Re: Head-on 2 Amtraks at OAK Dr Zarkoff 10-13-2011 - 15:53
  Re: Head-on 2 Amtraks at OAK Gene Poon 10-13-2011 - 16:20
  Re: Head-on 2 Amtraks at OAK Mark Meoff 10-13-2011 - 16:30
  Re: Head-on 2 Amtraks at OAK Gene Poon 10-13-2011 - 16:37
  Re: Head-on 2 Amtraks at OAK OPRRMS 10-13-2011 - 16:42
  Re: Head-on 2 Amtraks at OAK WAF 10-13-2011 - 17:44
  Re: Head-on 2 Amtraks at OAK Dr Zarkoff 10-13-2011 - 18:07
  Re: Head-on 2 Amtraks at OAK Outsider 10-13-2011 - 18:25
  Re: Head-on 2 Amtraks at OAK Cosmo 10-13-2011 - 18:36
  Re: positive train control Tony 10-13-2011 - 19:05
  Re: positive train control Dr Zarkoff 10-13-2011 - 19:13
  Re: positive train control COLLEX AKA COLLISION EXPERT 10-14-2011 - 13:37
  Re: positive train control Jascha 10-14-2011 - 14:32
  Re: positive train control OldPoleBurner 10-14-2011 - 16:34
  Re: positive train control COLLEX AKA COLLISION EXPERT 10-14-2011 - 20:36
  Re: positive train control Dr Zarkoff 10-14-2011 - 21:19
  Re: positive train control OPRRMS 10-14-2011 - 21:50
  Re: positive train control COLLEX AKA COLLISION EXPERT 10-14-2011 - 23:18
  Re: positive train control Dr Zarkoff 10-15-2011 - 10:19
  Re: positive train control COLLEX AKA COLLISION EXPERT 10-15-2011 - 12:57
  Re: positive train control COLLEX AKA COLLISION EXPERT 10-15-2011 - 14:19
  Re: positive train control OPRRMS 10-15-2011 - 14:31
  Re: positive train control Dr Zarkoff 10-15-2011 - 16:40
  Re: positive train control Dr Zarkoff 10-15-2011 - 17:00
  Re: positive train control Time Span 10-16-2011 - 05:55
  Re: positive train control Dr Zarkoff 10-16-2011 - 10:33
  Re: positive train control OPRRMS 10-16-2011 - 13:54
  Re: positive train control Dr Zarkoff 10-16-2011 - 16:59
  Re: positive train control OPRRMS 10-14-2011 - 18:25
  Re: positive train control OPRRMS 10-14-2011 - 19:26
  Re: positive train control Mark Meoff 10-14-2011 - 23:25
  Re: positive train control Dr Zarkoff 10-14-2011 - 17:34
  Re: Head-on 2 Amtraks at OAK Mark Meoff 10-13-2011 - 19:44
  Re: Head-on 2 Amtraks at OAK LKK 10-13-2011 - 22:22
  Re: Head-on 2 Amtraks at OAK OPRRMS 10-13-2011 - 22:28
  Re: Head-on 2 Amtraks at OAK LKK 10-13-2011 - 22:54
  Re: Head-on 2 Amtraks at OAK OPRRMS 10-14-2011 - 09:54
  Re: Head-on 2 Amtraks at OAK OPRRMS 10-14-2011 - 14:58
  Re: Head-on 2 Amtraks at OAK Eric Rasmussen 10-14-2011 - 16:46
  Re: Head-on 2 Amtraks at OAK John Horren 10-15-2011 - 09:12
  Re: Head-on 2 Amtraks at OAK Espee99 10-14-2011 - 06:29
  Re: Head-on 2 Amtraks at OAK Outsider 10-14-2011 - 05:17
  Re: Head-on 2 Amtraks at OAK NNN 10-14-2011 - 01:52
  Re: Head-on 2 Amtraks at OAK COLLEX AKA COLLISION EXPERT 10-14-2011 - 05:52
  Re: Head-on 2 Amtraks at OAK Mitch 10-14-2011 - 06:51
  Re: Head-on 2 Amtraks at OAK Cosmo 10-14-2011 - 08:00
  Re: Head-on 2 Amtraks at OAK Jesse 10-14-2011 - 08:31
  Re: Head-on 2 Amtraks at OAK COLLEX AKA COLLISION EXPERT 10-14-2011 - 11:13
  Re: Head-on 2 Amtraks at OAK theconductor 10-15-2011 - 10:38
  Re: Head-on 2 Amtraks at OAK SP5103 10-14-2011 - 09:58
  Re: Head-on 2 Amtraks at OAK Mark Meoff 10-14-2011 - 16:54
  Re: Head-on 2 Amtraks at OAK Dr Zarkoff 10-14-2011 - 17:42
  Re: Head-on 2 Amtraks at OAK Herbert B 10-15-2011 - 09:18
  Re: Head-on 2 Amtraks at OAK Spanky 10-22-2011 - 14:04
  Re: Head-on 2 Amtraks at OAK Kanra 10-14-2011 - 22:07
  Re:signal location question Severe Duty 10-15-2011 - 01:30
  Re: Re:signal location question OPRRMS 10-15-2011 - 02:29
  Re: Re:signal location question OldPoleBurner 10-15-2011 - 21:31
  Re: Re:signal location question OPRRMS 10-15-2011 - 22:35
  Re: Re:signal location question SP5103 10-16-2011 - 21:33
  Re: Re:signal location question theconductor 10-16-2011 - 22:39
  MSM MTM 10-15-2011 - 12:09
  Re: MSM Dr Zarkoff 10-15-2011 - 16:42
  Re: MSM MTM 10-15-2011 - 20:27


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