Re: 2 BART workers killed after being struck by train
Author: OldPoleBurner
Date: 10-21-2013 - 16:33

Thanks for the kind words.

But I don't think I would be inclined to characterize an "experienced train operator" who had been promoted out of the rank and file to a management position, as "non-union". At BART, the underlying NLRB order governing BART's recognition of its unions, requires that a "withdrawal" be taken when that happens.

Also, I would not grouse very much about anyone willing to take such a promotion into the heat of hell's kitchen, even if it is out of the union. In fact, I would offer them my condolences! Those lower level management jobs, just above union positions, are mostly just plain miserable. Just as miserable at BART as they are on any other railroad. Besides, if it is the fellow I think it is, he is a reasonable and just and fair man - he doesn't deserve the agony he will experience, any more than those killed deserved their fate.

And I do not believe this accident is the result of willful negligence on the part of any specific individuals, but is more systemic - as in faulty rules and procedures. Besides, more important than who is held accountable, is that BART management finally comes to clarity over the real reasons these things happen, and adjust the rules and procedures in the right direction to prevent them.

I personally suspect that would involve bringing those procedures and rules more into line with the rest of railroad industry experience and practice, especially those governing work areas. After all, the laws of physics and the practicalities involved, are the same, regardless of who owns the rails.

OPB

PS. I Still wish we all were not having this conversation - but it all needs to be said.



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  2 BART workers killed after being struck by train Jon 10-19-2013 - 18:44
  Re: 2 BART workers killed after being struck by train HUTCH 7.62 10-20-2013 - 08:58
  Re: 2 BART workers killed after being struck by train Jon 10-20-2013 - 09:45
  Re: 2 BART workers killed after being struck by train ex-BN 10-20-2013 - 10:24
  Re: 2 BART workers killed after being struck by train synonymouse 10-20-2013 - 11:39
  Re: 2 BART workers killed after being struck by train smitty195 10-20-2013 - 13:45
  Re: 2 BART workers killed after being struck by train mook 10-20-2013 - 14:06
  Protection Question, Red Flag eq? Espee99 10-20-2013 - 16:52
  Re: Protection Question, Red Flag eq? synonymouse 10-20-2013 - 19:24
  Re: Protection Question, Red Flag eq? Espee99 10-20-2013 - 19:40
  Re: Protection Question, Red Flag eq? david vartanoff 10-20-2013 - 19:55
  Re: Protection Question, Red Flag eq? Espee99 10-20-2013 - 20:05
  Re: Protection Question, Red Flag eq? Stash 10-20-2013 - 20:15
  Re: Protection Question, Red Flag eq? 1stcajon 10-20-2013 - 20:46
  Re: Protection Question, Red Flag eq? fkrock 10-21-2013 - 08:44
  Re: 2 BART workers killed after being struck by train HUTCH 7.62 10-21-2013 - 17:47
  Re: 2 BART workers killed after being struck by train BNSFan 10-20-2013 - 20:43
  Re: 2 BART workers killed after being struck by train James Orator 10-20-2013 - 20:46
  Re: 2 BART workers killed after being struck by train OldPoleBurner 10-21-2013 - 10:48
  Re: 2 BART workers killed after being struck by train Thank You @OPB 10-21-2013 - 14:06
  Re: 2 BART workers killed after being struck by train Espee99 10-21-2013 - 14:11
  Re: 2 BART workers killed after being struck by train Rich Hunn 10-21-2013 - 14:38
  Re: 2 BART workers killed after being struck by train SteamFan 10-21-2013 - 15:57
  Re: 2 BART workers killed after being struck by train OldPoleBurner 10-21-2013 - 16:33
  Re: 2 BART workers killed after being struck by train Margaret (SP fan) 10-21-2013 - 17:49
  Re: 2 BART workers killed after being struck by train HUTCH 7.62 10-21-2013 - 18:02
  Re: 2 BART workers killed after being struck by train HUTCH 7.62 10-21-2013 - 18:00
  Re: 2 BART workers killed after being struck by train OERM Otaku 10-21-2013 - 18:14
  Re: 2 BART workers killed after being struck by train Rich Hunn 10-21-2013 - 18:47
  NTSB says Espee99 10-21-2013 - 19:22
  Re: 2 BART workers killed after being struck by train Margaret (SP fan) 10-21-2013 - 19:26
  Re: 2 BART workers killed after being struck by train OPRRMS 10-22-2013 - 11:55
  Re: 2 BART workers killed after being struck by train synonymouse 10-22-2013 - 15:26
  Re: 2 BART workers killed after being struck by train Dr Zarkoff 10-22-2013 - 15:44
  Re: 2 BART workers killed after being struck by train synonymouse 10-23-2013 - 17:27
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