Re: question for Dave Smith
Author: Dave Smith
Date: 01-13-2008 - 11:25

Sorry, I was in a grumpy mood when I wrote that. The word "perversion" is a bit too emotional for a rail economics discussion.

What I am refering to is the STB's benchmark for determining if a rail operation is sufficiently profitable. R/VC stands for the ratio of revenues to variable costs (variable costs are those which acrue with level of operations as opposed to fixed costs which acrue whether you run trains or not). The STB has determined that railroads must earn at least 180% of revenues to variable costs in order for a rail line to be economically viable. Anything above 180% is used as a benchmark for determining captivity by the STB, while anything below 180% is deemed to be internally subsidized by some other form of income. Whether one agrees with the 180% standard or not, if indeed it is a valid measure then it stands to reason that shippers being charged more than 180% R/VC are cross subsidizing those rail shippers being charged less than 180% R/VC.

When we add taxpayer subsidization used to rescue certain lines, it stands to reason that a rail operator's costs will be reduced, so the 180% standard can be reduced to reflect that subsidization.

One of the reasons I got kicked off the TRAINS.com forums at the behest of a Class I rail exec was that I kept insisting that this +-180% cross subsidization occurs, and furthermore most captive rail shippers happen to be domestic rail shippers (as exemplified by the four Oregon shortlines in question) while most overseas importers have access to multiple ports and thus multiple railroads, e.g. rail competition. There is a substantial "make or break" dynamic in play regarding US rail shippers when it comes to transporting their goods to market, in that the shipper who can access rates near or below that 180% benchmark can sell his goods slightly cheaper than that rail shipper plying the same goods who is paying closer to 300% R/VC. It is one of the causes of the outflow of US manufactering jobs overseas and/or the shutdown of certain US production facilities.

That's why it is my opinion that, if the State of Oregon deems these lines to be viable to the Oregon economy, they need to be aggressive in ensuring that the shippers on those lines are availed of dual rates and services from the two Class I connections aka UP and BNSF. Otherwise, any taxpayer money thrown at the problem without an end result of intramodal competition may end up being wasted.



Subject Written By Date/Time (PST)
  Some thoughts about the plight of Oregon Shortlines shortline sammie 01-12-2008 - 11:02
  Re: Some thoughts about the plight of Oregon Shortlines Smokebox 01-12-2008 - 12:28
  Re: Some thoughts about the plight of Oregon Shortlines Mike Root 01-12-2008 - 12:44
  Re: Some thoughts about the plight of Oregon Shortlines Smokebox 01-12-2008 - 14:13
  Re: Some thoughts about the plight of Oregon Shortlines Mike Root 01-13-2008 - 08:03
  Tillamook service Dick Seelye 01-12-2008 - 12:50
  Re: Some thoughts about the plight of Oregon Shortlines Dave Smith 01-12-2008 - 12:38
  Re: Some thoughts about the plight of Oregon Shortlines Rich Hunn 01-12-2008 - 13:00
  Re: Some thoughts about the plight of Oregon Shortlines Arlen Sheldrake 01-12-2008 - 14:46
  Re: Some thoughts about the plight of Oregon Shortlines Smokebox 01-12-2008 - 14:54
  Re: Some thoughts about the plight of Oregon Shortlines Gunner V 01-12-2008 - 19:51
  question for Dave Smith question 01-12-2008 - 22:07
  Re: question for Dave Smith Dave Smith 01-13-2008 - 11:25
  Re: Some thoughts about the plight of Oregon Shortlines Little Lake Listener 01-13-2008 - 10:05
  Re: Some thoughts about the plight of Oregon Shortlines Dave Smith 01-13-2008 - 16:45
  My error Dick Seelye 01-12-2008 - 12:57
  Re: My error Rich Hunn 01-12-2008 - 13:01
  Barge service Dick Seelye 01-12-2008 - 16:10
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  Rail to Trail Feasibility? Mining Engineer Steve 01-12-2008 - 16:53
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  Re: Rail to Trail Feasibility? hepkema 01-12-2008 - 18:05
  Re: Rail to Trail Feasibility? MCP 01-12-2008 - 20:05
  Rail to Trail in The Oregonian (opinion) Smokebox 01-12-2008 - 20:31
  Re: Rail to Trail in The Oregonian (opinion) Tom H 01-13-2008 - 17:37
  Re: Rail to Trail in The Oregonian (opinion) Smokebox 01-14-2008 - 05:13
  Re: Rail to Trail in The Oregonian (opinion) Smokebox 01-14-2008 - 05:19
  Re: Rail to Trail in The Oregonian (opinion) Wes Ashahr 01-17-2008 - 10:28
  Re: Some thoughts about the plight of Oregon Shortlines Steady_Rest 01-12-2008 - 18:51
  Re: Some thoughts about the plight of Oregon Shortlines Larry4449 01-16-2008 - 21:08
  Re: Some thoughts about the plight of Oregon Shortlines Rich Hunn 01-17-2008 - 07:48
  Re: Some thoughts about the plight of Oregon Shortlines LOUIS WEINBERG 03-24-2008 - 18:03


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